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[FromTexas]

Hillary is both very religious (hence her call to office and dealing with social issues) and a person who brings people together! She has just been smeared!

[FromTexas]

Originally Posted by FromTexas

Hillary is both very religious (hence her call to office and dealing with social issues) and a person who brings people together! She has just been smeared!

I bet I know who smeared her, too! That VRWC group!

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

...at this point, she will be our next President.

She sure as hell will be the Democratic nominee.

[vraiblonde]

It's going to be interesting to see if the voters fall for this little revision. The "real" Hillary, huh? So that one that spent 8 years as First Lady was the "fake" Hillary? How 'bout the corrupt lawyer before that? Was that the "fake" or "real" Hillary?

And whoever runs against her won't even be able to bring up her past or the media will howl like wolves and accuse them of picking on a girl, like they did with Lazio.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

It's going to be interesting to see if the voters fall for this little revision. The "real" Hillary, huh? So that one that spent 8 years as First Lady was the "fake" Hillary? How 'bout the corrupt lawyer before that? Was that the "fake" or "real" Hillary?

And whoever runs against her won't even be able to bring up her past or the media will howl like wolves and accuse them of picking on a girl, like they did with Lazio.

...she was always middle of the road. Says so right here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050800915.html

In truth, Hillary Clinton was basically as "centrist" when she entered the national stage in the early 1990s as she is today.

This guy could teach pretzel makers a thing or two.

I think that when you have to make an extra effort to convince people that you have morals and deeply felt religious beliefs, you already have an insurmountable problem. People like this have been measured by their deeds, and no amount of words usually does them any good.

Unless the Republicans offer a really crappy candidate in 2008 I don't see Hillary running. I think she's another Mario Cuomo, and here's why:

1. Most Americans (expecially Bill) would see her presidency as Bill Clinton III, and not Hillary I, and I don't think she'ld be happy to give up most of the spotlight to Bill.
2. On a similar note, I think that every thing she does would be run through a Bill Clinton filter by the media ad nauseum.
3. She would have a very tough time winning due to the energy she inspires in Republicans and Conservatives.
4. She would get votes from women, but also lose votes from men who don't want a woman at the helm.
5. Even if she wins two terms, she's out after 8 years.

All of these things make it hard for her to get elected, and Democrats who lose elections aren't seen as legitimate candidates for very long, which is a big risk for her.

She's much better off staying in the Senate and growing her powerbase there. As long as she keeps New Yorkers duped, she can have all the power she wants. I think it was pretty obvious that both her and Bill would have loved more time at the top, but you only get eight at the White House, so I see her staying in the Senate.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

I think that when you have to make an extra effort to convince people that you have morals and deeply felt religious beliefs, you already have an insurmountable problem

...on who you are running against. 1996 was NOT decided because Bill Clinton or Bob Dole was in any way, shape or form definitive person as regards religion or anything else and Clintons words certainly trumped Doles deeds.

John Kerry is, on record and in public, one of the worst candidates for President in our history and he was only 3 million away and got the second largest total in history.

You and I are going to be going back and forth until she either runs or doesn't.

#3, Kerry inspired NO energy for himself and inspired plenty against him to go along with the energy W motivated for himself because he is a defined guy. Kerry votes were anti-W votes.

Opposition against W failed and I think it would fail against Hillary. A lot of people were for W and a lot of people will be for Hillary. I think 'for' trumps 'against'.

#1. She, as President of the US will be giving up nothing to her husband. She'll have his ass living on an airplane advocating the administrations position on this that and the other thing rather than spend more than a few seconds in the Whitehouse getting in her way.

#5? I don't understand?

As far as the Senate and having all the power she wants, everything is coach after Air Force One.

As far as 4 or 8 and done, she's 58. The election is 3 years, 61. One term, 65, two 69. I think eve nafter one term the party starts and she spends the rest of her days being feted as the first woman Pesident and one of the greatest stories in politics of all time.

So, again, who is her opponent?

Rudy raises as many questions as he answers with the hard right, no advantage there.

Frist shot himself with the Schiavo fiasco.

She'd get KILLED by Cheney.

Condi would be the race for the ages.

Powell? (Who's to say he doen't become a Democrat?)

McCain? She'd beat him.

[rraley]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

And whoever runs against her won't even be able to bring up her past or the media will howl like wolves and accuse them of picking on a girl, like they did with Lazio.

This line was spread in the media after their debate in which Crybaby Rick came up to Clinton with a piece of paper, shook his hand in front of her, and said "sign it!!!" The "it" was a paper that was a pledge to stop using PAC money for the campaign (Lazio raised more money from PACs than Clinton). I think that it is amazing that a former first lady, who lived in Arkansas, who was wife to a man who had so many personal problems during his presidency, who was nearly outspent by some Long Island congressman, not only won in New York, but won by 12%. Perhaps she's not "duping" us; maybe she's just that good?

I agree with Bru, I don't think that she's gonna run. To Larry, Cheney would get smoked by most potential Democratic candidates, but McCain would probably smoke most potential Democratic candidates. Nuff said.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by rraley

To Larry, Cheney would get smoked by most potential Democratic candidates, but McCain would probably smoke most potential Democratic candidates. Nuff said.

McCain is SO disliked for his media pandering and the abortion that is McCain/Feingold. You have no idea.

Dick Cheney would win so big that there just wouldn't be any more Democratic party.

First off, he'd have Haliburton turn off the power in all the homes of registered Democrats the night before the election so you bums over sleep.

Then, he'd have a noticed sent to all of y'alls DU screen names next
morning that you had to come to Havana, Cuba for a "Dick Cheney Effigy Burning Clam Bake and how to get a free windmill installed at Hallibutons Expense" clinic that afternoon only.

It would say the Dixie Chicks are gonna sing their knew hit "George Bush can't spell Texas" and there'd be a Date With Dennis Kucinich raffle and all sorts of fun.

Then, once y'all are in Cuban air space; lights out. He'd shut down the air control towers in the area and y'all'd end up in Kuwait.

By the time the mess was all straightend out, election over, landslide for Dick!

If that doesn't work, we'll just steal it again.

Game.

[2ndAmendment]

Originally Posted by rraley

... but McCain would probably smoke most potential Democratic candidates. Nuff said.

McCain would have a hard time getting Republicans to vote for him. He is a RINO. He may be attractive to "conservative" Democrats but that makes him unattractive to real conservatives.