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Old 10-30-2005, 10:45 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The bottom line: It's great that a prince's opinion does not matter in the least.
It does to me. Every time one of these pantywaist kennedys opens their mouth to spew, it lends credence to other pantywaist kennedys and emboldens them to take their antics to a higher level. This pleases the terrorists because they realize that US wars are fought at home, not abroad. They know they can wait us out and we'll eventually quit, and 2,000 American soldiers will have died for nothing.
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Old 10-30-2005, 10:46 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I only intended to show that none of us are holier than thou, as some other posters seem to have implied. The bottom line: It's great that a prince's opinion does not matter in the least.
Great sentiments.
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Old 10-30-2005, 10:46 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Sorry to confuse you, but I was raised as a Mormon, and they considered Native Americans to be a Red Menace. I guess you don't think many of them were killed in the name of god.

Likewise, many Mormons were killed because they were not mainstream christians. Do you want names?

If violent christians haven't been a problem for 5% of the time they have existed, is that something to brag about?

I am also living in 2005, where pedophile priests are protected by the church. People who claim to be Christian ignore His teachings, and try to portray themselves as the saviours of people who disagree with them. What would Jesus do? He wouldn't judge - That's his dad's job. He wouldn't use shock to make his point - He knows that is divisive. He wouldn't try to change the law - He knows that man's law has no effect on God's law. He would use logical discussion to try to lead people to do the right thing. Try it.
Your're right! Christian extremists are evil and should be sent to Gitmo! Go ahead and point them out to us! :cricket: :cricket: Oh yeah, they're all dead and buried.

Instead, why don't we just go after Christians in general. That will prevent the possibility that some more might come along!

Just so you know...secular extremism can be just as dangerous as religeous extremism. Any ideology that is taken to the point of "our way or die" is bad.
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Old 10-30-2005, 10:57 PM   #24 (permalink)
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In this instance we are holier than...well, them anyway.
About Gitmo and Abu Ghirab, I never liked the "no better than the terrorists" argument. I think it's misleading and insulting to even try to make that comparison. It doesn't address the real issue as I see it, which is how we want our soldiers to treat POWs. I see it as setting our own standards and holding ourselves to those standards, not about comparing ourselves to an enemy's standards or lack of them.
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Great sentiments.
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We're right, they're wrong. The end. It doesn't matter what happened a hundred years ago - none of us were even alive then so it has nothing to do with what's going on in the world right now. I refuse to live in the past and throw away my moral authority because of what one of my ancestor's might have done.
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I must disagree..

Bringing religion in is a good thing...

What Does Christ expect? humility, service, placing others before you, respect for elders, care for widows and orphans, soberness, honesty, no discrimination between Gentile and Jew...

What does Muhammed expect? Sacrificial death to kill infidels, enslavement, belittling of women, Jihad, absolute acceptance of Sharia', a Caliphate ruler,
lie to infidels-that doesn't matter. 2nd & third class citizens...

Oh please do bring religion in....for millions of Americans that are blind to the building Islamic Tsunami...we need to see what is going to hit us....ande not 100 years from now, try a few decades. CAIR has already broadcast the hope that the US consitution will crumble and be replaced by Sharia'.

I will NEVER cease my warning cry on the onrushing threat of Islam...a violent and menacing "religion."
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Old 10-30-2005, 11:04 PM   #27 (permalink)
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About Gitmo and Abu Ghirab, I never liked the "no better than the terrorists" argument. I think it's misleading and insulting to even try to make that comparison.
I agree. Prisoners are at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib for a reason. If we make them stand on a box or put panties on their head, so what? They should have thought about that before they decided they wanted a piece.
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Old 10-31-2005, 07:48 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Okay, but the fact of the matter is that Prince Charles has no business talking about the US when one of his Parliament dudes is knee deep in the oil-for-food scandal.

Bunch of corrupt cowards. "Sooo confrontational, don't you agree, Muffy?" I'm tired of people criticizing the US for doing the right thing.
But he's just the heir apparent, he has no control over Parliment. He actually has less pull over Parliment than the President has over Congress. The Prime Minister is the real man in charge, the Royal family are now just diplomats and symbols, whixh is not bad. I kinda like the idea of a sitting monarch, so long as they are not the sole power.
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We're right, they're wrong. The end. It doesn't matter what happened a hundred years ago - none of us were even alive then so it has nothing to do with what's going on in the world right now. I refuse to live in the past and throw away my moral authority because of what one of my ancestor's might have done.
I wasn't thinking about history any more ancient than the pedophile priest problem.

From a philosophical standpoint, I don't want the war against terrorism to become a war for Christianity. Partly because Bin Laden wants people to think that America wants to exterminate all Muslims in Auschwitz-style death camps. Yes, we're right and they're wrong, but not because of any harebrained claims about God being on our side or something. We're fighting for our own lives.
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I wasn't thinking about history any more ancient than the pedophile priest problem.

From a philosophical standpoint, I don't want the war against terrorism to become a war for Christianity. Partly because Bin Laden wants people to think that America wants to exterminate all Muslims in Auschwitz-style death camps. Yes, we're right and they're wrong, but not because of any harebrained claims about God being on our side or something. We're fighting for our own lives.
Agreed, the moment this becomes a crusade for Christanity is the moment I throw out my pention and get out of the military early.
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