Why I'm a Democrat

[SamSpade]

Originally Posted by Ken King

News of the day, I guess you mean “Scooter” Libby’s claims? I think I’ve read a thread about that. Information leaks happen, some are intentional for specific purposes.

Yes apparently everyone in the Bush administration lies, except when a guy accused of perjury tattles on his boss to save his skin. Just like the Dan Rather story - I will *wait* on this before passing judgment. If it turns out to be YET ANOTHER BUST - it will make the Democrats look even MORE stupid, because they're so damned eager to go after this President, they'll splash this across the planet before the details are learned.

I am concerned - but - I am surprised that while liberal AND conservative radio hosts and bloggers were ALL OVER this story yesterday - they're silent, mostly, this morning. All I've seen is one person saying that nothing in any of the material Bush was declared by Libby to have de-classified has *anything* to do with Valerie Plame. Not related. So crowing about this might make a Bush-basher look massively stupid if they keep harping about it.

I'm just gonna sit back and watch for a bit.

[sushisamba (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Sparx

2. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

Remember, Saddam was hiding WsMD so we had to invade Iraq to find them. The funny thing is, once it was determined that they were North, South, East and/or West of Iraq, we decided we needed to say there and help them establish a Democratic government. What is this war about????

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by sushisamba

What is this war about????

Here yah go!


http://hnn.us/articles/1282.html

It's nice to be able to lend a helping hand.

[sushisamba (Premo)]

This war is bringing so much peace to the Middle East.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html

[sushisamba (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Here yah go!


http://hnn.us/articles/1282.html

It's nice to be able to lend a helping hand.

"Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations; "

This is a true statement.

"Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself; "

This is BS. FIND OSAMA BIN LADEN!!!

[SAHRAB]

Originally Posted by Kerad

Just knowing that Larry, Vrai, 2A, SHARAB, and tomchamp/JollyRoger/gay-prison-sex-bang-boy are Republicans are enough to make me a Democrat for life.

Definition - Larry, Vrai, 2A, SAHRAB will research and form opinions based fact. (but even so we do have disagreements, Larry & Vrai's on his stance towards imigration is an example)

Kerad would much rather be spoonfed his information based on Deranged lunatics (DU), Misinformed A$$hats (KOS), purposely misleading film makers (Michael Moore(on), Hypocritical Politicians (Reid, Pelosi, Klintons, Gore, Dean etc. what were their stance 7 years ago on Iraq, Oil, Illegal Immigration?) and a media that is willing to make up a story (Forged National Gaurd memos, the NBC Nascar Bull$hit) in order to further their bs agenda

[SAHRAB]

Originally Posted by Kerad

The facts I will present will not change in the meantime.

Facts????? what do you need those for? I thought you were happy to be a spoonfed LibTARD?

[SAHRAB]

It's Tommorrow, where is Kerad and his "Facts"?

My guess would be waiting to find out the talking points from DU, KOS and Media Matters.

if nothing else i'm sure he'll come back with : "Bush Lied" "Haliburton" "War for Oil" "CHENEY!!"

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by sushisamba

" "Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself; "

This is BS. FIND OSAMA BIN LADEN!!!

This is not bs. Saddam had them and he retained the capability to restart his programs quickly and on large scale. This is simply fact and the reason why it was such a big deal that unfettered inspections needed to continue. As that was made impossible by Saddam, not us, the next step, after 12 years of this, was invasion. It had to come to an end under our terms, not his.

Invading Iraq did the prudent thing; it verified the status of his WMD programs and stockpiles.

The thing I'd like to be thought about is this; we went in, found things to not be as bad as they might have been but we had NO way of knowing for sure unless we invaded. Saddam MADE this our only viable choice.

How would you feel if a fireman saw smoke coming from your house and enough things convinced him that there may be a serious problem; no one seems to be home, doesn't look like a BBQ, not the dryer vent, can't tell. So, he kicks in your door and finds the coffee maker on and the pot dry.

It's smoking a bit and very likely would have caused a bigger fire sooner or later, likely destroying your home and others in the process.

So now, your door is kicked down, muddy boot prints all over and perhaps some minor flooding; a mess for sure, but not a catastrophic event.

Now, do you sue him? Scream at him? Get someone to beat him up?

Or do you say "Thank goodness" and shake his hand?

I agree on Osama. I wish you and others would see how simple Iraq is and accept that it was the proper thing to do so we can all move on. There's plenty other things that are much more legitimate in terms of arguing how to go about fixing them. It is madness to argue the converse; that the world was a better place with him in charge and not knowing what he was up to. We didn't depose Mother Theresa.

Please think about this in it's true light and not as some political game of gotcha.

[Mikeinsmd]

Originally Posted by sushisamba

This is BS. FIND OSAMA BIN LADEN!!!

I had to break it out AGAIN for our poor lil libs who seem to forget things so easily....

Still think Bush lied?

Game. Set. Match. Checkmate, too.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003