And the far left continues to try to shred their party...

[rraley]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

She's come out publically against Lieberman

Very, very wrong. Hillary Clinton has endorsed Lieberman in his primary race. What she has done, however, is that she has said that she will support the winner of the Democratic primary, even if it's Ned Lamont. Imagine that, a Democrat endorsing the Democratic candidate...that would make so much sense.

And in regards to your earlier statement about how maybe a person like Lieberman needs to take the lead in forming the Democratic brand. I agree with that; the party needs a more moderate, practical leadership. For that role, I support someone like Mark Warner who is growing his party and not running away from the fact that he is a Democrat (the resurgence of the Virginia Democratic Party is amazing and should be a blueprint for the future). Joe Lieberman has good moderate views, but he does not use them to show to people that the Democratic Party can be moderate, he uses them to show how wrong the Democratic Party is. He frames it completely wrong; he is not the appropriate person to do this with his biting criticism of Democratic ideas, lack of charisma, and whiney voice.

On another point, I truly do not understand why Lieberman is so positively viewed by Republicans. Looking at his interest group ratings, he's among the most liberal in the Senate; far more liberal than Republican targets like Bobby Byrd. And why do liberals hate him so much...sure he's had some outrageous rhetoric in support of administration policies on Iraq, but come on, he's nowhere near being a neoconservative. I think it's a big fuss over little. I just want Joe to be nicer about Democrats...after all, he does agree with us 80% of the time.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by rraley

On another point, I truly do not understand why Lieberman is so positively viewed by Republicans. Looking at his interest group ratings, he's among the most liberal in the Senate; far more liberal than Republican targets like Bobby Byrd. And why do liberals hate him so much...sure he's had some outrageous rhetoric in support of administration policies on Iraq, but come on, he's nowhere near being a neoconservative. I think it's a big fuss over little. I just want Joe to be nicer about Democrats...after all, he does agree with us 80% of the time.

...I don't view Joe favorably. I thought he completely sold out his long standing public positions during the 2000 election in courting Hollywood.
And you are right, he is rather liberal. Him being viewed as some sort of moderate or centrist is one more piece of evidence as to how far left the party has moved.

Originally Posted by rraley

Very, very wrong. Hillary Clinton has endorsed Lieberman in his primary race. What she has done, however, is that she has said that she will support the winner of the Democratic primary, even if it's Ned Lamont. Imagine that, a Democrat endorsing the Democratic candidate...that would make so much sense.

It would make perfect sense except Hillary has spent the last three or so years positioning herself as a moderate. So you've now got her claiming she'll support a far-left newbie, Lamont, over a moderate guy, who she's known for decades, like Lieberman. What does that tell you? Why would she endanger her hard-sought moderate position to help throw a recognized moderate under a bus driven by a staunchly far-left liberal? It seems to me that if she were worried about her moderate appeal she would endore the guy she felt best reflected her views, regardless of party. She also loses much needed loyalty and friendship points as well. So why do it? Because she's not getting beat up in the press, polls, and blogs about being moderate or loyal, she's getting beat for her war vote. Lieberman is down in the polls because of his war vote, so there's no way she's going to show much support for him.

Originally Posted by rraley

On another point, I truly do not understand why Lieberman is so positively viewed by Republicans.

I don't know any Republicans who like Lieberman. I especially don't like him because it was him and his fellow CT senator Chris Dodd who put the laws in place that allowed the ENRON debalacle to happen, then they sit back and act like it was all the doings of Bush and the Republicans.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

I don't know any Republicans who like Lieberman. I especially don't like him because it was him and his fellow CT senator Chris Dodd who put the laws in place that allowed the ENRON debalacle to happen, then they sit back and act like it was all the doings of Bush and the Republicans.

...that ain't being reported!

Good point.