Pelosi Pre-emptive Surrender Disorder (PPSD)

[Severa]

Originally Posted by Kerad

Okay. So..in your opinion, when would you suggest the term "Operation" is inadequate?

I suggest 12 months tops...although I really think the term "Operation" is burnt at 3 months.

4 years?!?! That's a full blown WAR, by any standard. Do you disagree?

My definition of 'operation' don't mean squat. Congress didn't declare war. President Bush did the 'go to Congress and ask for permission to send forces' dance. He followed the rules and they authorized force. You don't like it, blame Congress too, not just President Bush.

[MMDad (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Kerad

Well, then you're saying the Constitution is inadequate? It must be, if it is so easily circumvented.

No, I only mean that congress is impotent because they are scared to use the powers that the constitution demands that they use.

Waging war is not up to just the Presidential administration of the moment.

If the congress had the courage to act you would be right. Since congress has refused to act for more than 60 years, the president has no choice. That includes all of our acts of war, like Korea, Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, Lebanon, Iran hostages, Haiti, Grenada, Panama, Somalia, etc. etc. etc.

4 years is NOT an "operation, and I am sure the moniker "Iraqi Freedom" will become the laughing stock of history. "Operation Iraqi Destruction" is more fitting.

OIF is a conglomerate of more than 100 smaller operations. Suggesting that it should be short term is ignorant. Since congress doesn't have the courage to declare a war or stop it, what else should we call it? Maybe we should change the name every three months just so it isn't always called the same thing. Would that help you?

At best, if you want to ignore the obvious...our country is being led by the Keystone Cops and nobody on the "right" side of this website seems to be disturbed by it.

Plenty of people are concerned that the country is run by the Keystone Kops (Note the correct spelling of Kops). Unfortunately, the incompetent people who are leading the country are on both sides. Your beloved left is so scared right now that they can't even decide whether or not to pass a non-binding resolution. How cowardly is that?

"We want to pass a bill that has absolutely now power, but we're not sure if we should because we might not get re-elected."

Damnit, if somebody would just stand up and lead the nation, instead of worrying about stupid polls, maybe we wouldn't be in this freaking mess!

[RadioPatrol]

Originally Posted by Kerad

Well, then you're saying the Constitution is inadequate? It must be, if it is so easily circumvented.

Waging war is not up to just the Presidential administration of the moment. 4 years is NOT an "operation, and I am sure the moniker "Iraqi Freedom" will become the laughing stock of history. "Operation Iraqi Destruction" is more fitting.

At best, if you want to ignore the obvious...our country is being led by the Keystone Cops and nobody on the "right" side of this website seems to be disturbed by it.

Why is it the keystone cops, all I hear from the left blah blah blah ( no offense ) do you have a solution to 700 yrs of religious animosity and hatred - aka Sunni's and Shia's - or just more criticism since the job turned out to be a little harder than expected ......

Communist Dictator Marshal Tito died in 1980 after a long rule during which in the 60's he relaxed regulations on travel allowed the Catholic Church back in, as well other social reforms ..... Ethnic divisions and conflict grew and eventually erupted in a series of Yugoslav wars a decade after his death. and we all know the more recent history today - Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Serbia, Central Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Macedonia, and the Republic of Srpska - A strong Central Leader dies or is defeated, old racial or religious hatreds come back out ............. and do you think for a sec. if we walked away now there wouldn't be more 9-11's maybe a nuclear one, with Iran Exporting Terrorism ( as they have for decades ) they would not give a Homicide Bomber a Nuke and slip him into Israel or Western Europe of the US ..........

So do you have a solution or just more Criticism ?

[Kerad (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Severa

My definition of 'operation' don't mean squat. Congress didn't declare war. President Bush did the 'go to Congress and ask for permission to send forces' dance. He followed the rules and they authorized force. You don't like it, blame Congress too, not just President Bush.

Sev...this thread was about IRAN. Well...that's what is was supposed to be about.

My point is that we trusted the Bushies on Iraq, and look how frakked up that became. Now we're supposed to blindly follow him into Iran???

I bet a BaZillion dollars...this is how Bush is toughing out the Iran "thought" process:

Dubya: "Damn, Dick...how can we ever get the American people off of our asses about Iraq?"

Shooter: "War with Iran, Mr. President!!!!!"

Dubya: YeeeHaaawww!!!!! I'm the Deciderer War President.!!!!!

[Kerad (Premo)]

Originally Posted by MMDad

No, I only mean that congress is impotent because they are scared to use the powers that the constitution demands that they use.

If the congress had the courage to act you would be right. Since congress has refused to act for more than 60 years, the president has no choice. That includes all of our acts of war, like Korea, Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, Lebanon, Iran hostages, Haiti, Grenada, Panama, Somalia, etc. etc. etc.

OIF is a conglomerate of more than 100 smaller operations. Suggesting that it should be short term is ignorant. Since congress doesn't have the courage to declare a war or stop it, what else should we call it? Maybe we should change the name every three months just so it isn't always called the same thing. Would that help you?

Plenty of people are concerned that the country is run by the Keystone Kops (Note the correct spelling of Kops). Unfortunately, the incompetent people who are leading the country are on both sides. Your beloved left is so scared right now that they can't even decide whether or not to pass a non-binding resolution. How cowardly is that?

"We want to pass a bill that has absolutely now power, but we're not sure if we should because we might not get re-elected."

Damnit, if somebody would just stand up and lead the nation, instead of worrying about stupid polls, maybe we wouldn't be in this freaking mess!

While I do appreciate the tone of this post, you may need to research certain "facts".

Regardless...we seem to have stumbled on some very thin common ground here.

What can we do about it?

[MMDad (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Kerad

What can we do about it?

Absolutley effing nothing. And that is what pisses me off so much. The only thing we can do is vote for the lesser of two evils in every election. Great.

[Severa]

Originally Posted by Kerad

Sev...this thread was about IRAN. Well...that's what is was supposed to be about.

My point is that we trusted the Bushies on Iraq, and look how frakked up that became. Now we're supposed to blindly follow him into Iran???

I bet a BaZillion dollars...this is how Bush is toughing out the Iran "thought" process:

Who said we were even going into IRAN yet? Pelosi brought it up first. SECDEF Gates said we're not going into Iran any time soon. President Bush wants to go the diplomatic route first. If he feels the need to go into Iran he'll call on Congress like he did with Iraq.

[Kerad (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Severa

Who said we were even going into IRAN yet? Pelosi brought it up first. SECDEF Gates said we're not going into Iran any time soon. President Bush wants to go the diplomatic route first. If he feels the need to go into Iran he'll call on Congress like he did with Iraq.

Awww....

I hope this doesn't offend you...I'd rather not...but...

That is sooo cute!!!!!

It's good to see you still believe in fairy tales. Hang onto that, as long as you can! Innocence doesn't last too long in the modern world.

[Kerad (Premo)]

Originally Posted by MMDad

Absolutley effing nothing. And that is what pisses me off so much. The only thing we can do is vote for the lesser of two evils in every election. Great.

Well, then...at least we can agree on that. A lose-lose for all of us.

[Severa]

Originally Posted by Kerad

Awww....

I hope this doesn't offend you...I'd rather not...but...

That is sooo cute!!!!!

It's good to see you still believe in fairy tales. Hang onto that, as long as you can! Innocence doesn't last too long in the modern world.

Congress voting on Iraq wasn't a fairy tale.
HJ Res 114 and SJ Res 45.

Sarcasm doesn't offend me. I'm more the 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me'