"We're going to have Universial Health Care when I become president"

[Vince]

Yeah, I can see it now. Waiting lines in the hospitals. People "dying" to get in, or dying in the line before they get in.

[PsyOps]

You people are pretending like you didn't see this coming.

[awpitt]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

I do not understand why they (LibTards) continue to push this, it has been a failure and definite issues where ever its been implemented.

The problem with most existing universal healthcare systems is that they’re govt run. I think this is the wrong way to go; however, keeping things as they are isn’t the right answer either. The problem is not lack of healthcare. The problem is lack of insurance. I think we really need to look at how we pay for healthcare in the U.S. One of the big problems is that folks, who are uninsured, go to the emergency room for issues that should be handled in a doctor’s office. So an ailment that would normally result in a $50 office visit ends up being a $300 emergency room visit.

How about making it a requirement for everyone to purchase health insurance? Either through one’s employer or on the individual market. For those who’s employers don’t offer health insurance benefits, maybe various trade organizations could be allowed to form insurance “pools” so their members could purchase insurance at lower group rates like people are able to do through employers. Or, better yet, access to the insurance pool known as the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program could be extended to individuals whose employers don’t offer health insurance benefits. After all, this is where members of congress buy their health insurance, unless they have a spouse who has a better plan through the spouse’s employer. All monies spent on health insurance premiums should be tax deductible. Also, some provisions might need to be made for low income workers so they can buy health insurance as well.

It wouldn’t be govt run but it would be universal.

[2ndAmendment]

Originally Posted by awpitt

How about making it a requirement for everyone to purchase health insurance? Either through one’s employer or on the individual market. ...

There is your problem. We either have free markets or we don't. We either have a free society or we don't. The Democrats are all about socialism and that is being kind. When socialism becomes mandatory, then it is communism. Democrats may not like the label but what it is is what it is.

Republicans are not much better.

I may see doom and gloom, but ... wow ... with what we have to choose from there is little prospect for anything else. There are far too many people with their hand out. Illegals get in state tuition and free medical care. My son is too old to be on my insurance, so he doesn't have any. Can he get free health care. NO. Should he? No. Mom and dad have to pay for it. That is OK. But I object that Jose' and Juanita and the clan all get free health care.

Welcome to the land of the oppressed, home of the cowards, and opportunity and justice for everyone but the citizens and taxpayers.

[awpitt]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

There is your problem. We either have free markets or we don't. We either have a free society or we don't. The Democrats are all about socialism and that is being kind. When socialism becomes mandatory, then it is communism. Democrats may not like the label but what it is is what it is.

Republicans are not much better.

I may see doom and gloom, but ... wow ... with what we have to choose from there is little prospect for anything else. There are far too many people with their hand out. Illegals get in state tuition and free medical care. My son is too old to be on my insurance, so he doesn't have any. Can he get free health care. NO. Should he? No. Mom and dad have to pay for it. That is OK. But I object that Jose' and Juanita and the clan all get free health care.

Welcome to the land of the oppressed, home of the cowards, and opportunity and justice for everyone but the citizens and taxpayers.

I guess I’m tired of having to pay higher premiums because others won’t pay at all. It’s not a socialist thing it’s a responsibility thing. BTW, I agree with you about the problem with illegals and I agree that you son is not entitled to free healthcare. Neither is my daughter who is in the same boat. She’s too old to be on my insurance. In her case, she works all the time but her employer doesn’t offer health benefits. If she went out and bought insurance on her own, she wouldn’t be able to afford to live. I just think that any society that’s worth a grain of salt can find ways to make health insurance more accessible and affordable for people who aren’t fortunate enough to have employer based health benefits. I guess that’s the basis of the idea in my last posting. Without getting into the usual democrat/republican bashing, I’d be interested in hearing other ideas folks might have concerning the whole healthcare/insurance issue. Do you have another idea as opposed to the one I threw out there? Do you feel things are fine the way they are now? These aren’t loaded questions. I’m just want to hear constructive ideas folks might have.

[2ndAmendment]

Originally Posted by awpitt

I guess I’m tired of having to pay higher premiums because others won’t pay at all. It’s not a socialist thing it’s a responsibility thing. BTW, I agree with you about the problem with illegals and I agree that you son is not entitled to free healthcare. Neither is my daughter who is in the same boat. She’s too old to be on my insurance. In her case, she works all the time but her employer doesn’t offer health benefits. If she went out and bought insurance on her own, she wouldn’t be able to afford to live. I just think that any society that’s worth a grain of salt can find ways to make health insurance more accessible and affordable for people who aren’t fortunate enough to have employer based health benefits. I guess that’s the basis of the idea in my last posting. Without getting into the usual democrat/republican bashing, I’d be interested in hearing other ideas folks might have concerning the whole healthcare/insurance issue. Do you have another idea as opposed to the one I threw out there? Do you feel things are fine the way they are now? These aren’t loaded questions. I’m just want to hear constructive ideas folks might have.

Want to get health cares costs down? Get rid of all government health programs; Medicare, Medicaid. Look at the charts. When Medicare first came into being, medical care skyrocketed. Somehow people have this notion that if the government is paying for it, it is free money so get as much as you can. The money is not free. The government has no money. All the money any government has comes from the taxpayers. Taxpayers pay the bills for all those that are on the government "free ride."

Originally Posted by awpitt

I guess I’m tired of having to pay higher premiums because others won’t pay at all. It’s not a socialist thing it’s a responsibility thing. BTW, I agree with you about the problem with illegals and I agree that you son is not entitled to free healthcare. Neither is my daughter who is in the same boat. She’s too old to be on my insurance. In her case, she works all the time but her employer doesn’t offer health benefits. If she went out and bought insurance on her own, she wouldn’t be able to afford to live. I just think that any society that’s worth a grain of salt can find ways to make health insurance more accessible and affordable for people who aren’t fortunate enough to have employer based health benefits. I guess that’s the basis of the idea in my last posting. Without getting into the usual democrat/republican bashing, I’d be interested in hearing other ideas folks might have concerning the whole healthcare/insurance issue. Do you have another idea as opposed to the one I threw out there? Do you feel things are fine the way they are now? These aren’t loaded questions. I’m just want to hear constructive ideas folks might have.

Thank Trial Lawyers and lawsuits, that jack up insurance premiums for Health Care Providers ......... hehehe with a Gov run system at least we would eliminate that aspect - no I do not want HillaryCare ....

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

Want to get health cares costs down? Get rid of all government health programs; Medicare, Medicaid. Look at the charts. When Medicare first came into being, medical care skyrocketed. Somehow people have this notion that if the government is paying for it, it is free money so get as much as you can. The money is not free. The government has no money. All the money any government has comes from the taxpayers. Taxpayers pay the bills for all those that are on the government "free ride."

as well ........ Then Kill all the lawyers

[2ndAmendment]

Originally Posted by RadioPatrol

as well ........ Then Kill all the lawyers

We could certainly do better with far fewer lawyers and politicians. I think it should be illegal to be a legislator and a lawyer. Wonder how easy it would be to get that passed?

[awpitt]

Originally Posted by RadioPatrol

Thank Trial Lawyers and lawsuits, that jack up insurance premiums for Health Care Providers ......... hehehe with a Gov run system at least we would eliminate that aspect - no I do not want HillaryCare ....

Good point. I forgot about that aspect. Docs and hospitals do pay a tremendous amount of money towards premiums for liability insurance. …and no, a Govt run system would not eliminate malpractice lawsuits. Government entities get sued quite often.