Guns or no Guns

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

The mere idea that a person may be able to defend themselves is a deterrent of some measure.

I agree with that as well, and CCW statistics seem to prove it.

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by Midnightrider

your shaking that one instance to death there.....

it still doesn't mean that you should be able to take your guns EVERYWHERE.

And you keep thinking that anywhere you ban guns should be safe. here is what i stated earlier :

In Virginia they offer CCW permits to citizens. The school was an exception, and even licensed CCW permit holders were not permitted to carry their weapons on campus. In other words, if you looked at a map, there would be a circle around the VT campus which was the “gun free zone.”

Fascinating, isn’t it, that the bloodbath took place in the gun free zone and not in the zone around it, where all those private citizens were packing heat. In fact, bloodbaths usually take place in gun-free zones. But I’m sure that’s just a coincidence

Why is it that the massacres and bloodbaths always take place in areas that are officially designated “gun free” zones? Think about it. Columbine was a gun-free school. Luby’s, in Texas, was a gun-free restaurant. How many guys have snapped at their places of work, all of which are gun-free? Hell, how many guys at the US Post Office alone have gone nuts and killed their coworkers, all in a gun-free environment?

Why do massacres never seem to take place in environments where people are known to potentially be armed? If the crime is caused by the availability of guns, why wasn’t the area outside the VT campus the scene of the bloodbath, and the gun-free zone the safe haven from the scourge of gun crime?

Anywhere that (you feel) is innapropriate will become nothing other than a different version of a Gun Free School Zone.

As history has shown this is nothing more than a Bulls-eye zone for demented mad men. Your theory that there are places that guns are not appropriate would do nothing other than create other areas for victim disarmement.

I keep bring up Appalachian Law School (and you keep ignoring it) for the reason that Guns on Campus can stop this kind of massacre from happaning. the fact that Applachian was also in Virginia is ironic

Especially since the Spokesmen of VT had this to say about the Firearms on Campus Bill

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”

[Midnightrider]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

Where? If I am legally allowed to carry and I carry responsibly, where should I be prevented from carrying?

Bars, football games, anywhere if you have been drinking......

[Midnightrider]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

And you keep thinking that anywhere you ban guns should be safe.

dude, you so fully misunderstand my position its freaky

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by Midnightrider

dude, you so fully misunderstand my position its freaky

Your point is there are places gun are inapropriate. My point is anywhere you ban guns you have created a victim disarmement zone.

where is the misunderstanding?

Vrai i agree if you dont want them in your home, the person has the choice to remove them or not.
But it doesnt negate the fact that your home is now an area where ONLY the criminal would have a gun.

[Midnightrider]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

Your point is there are places gun are inapropriate. My point is anywhere you ban guns you have created a victim disarmement zone.

where is the misunderstanding?

Vrai i agree if you dont want them in your home, the person has the choice to remove them or not.
But it doesnt negate the fact that your home is now an area where ONLY the criminal would have a gun.

so youre saying bars should be full of people carrying guns?
and football games?

[LordStanley]

Originally Posted by Midnightrider

Bars, football games, anywhere if you have been drinking......

Thats already a federal law.

Even if you have a permit, you are not allowed to carry your firearm in the following place:

Public School grounds
Restaurants and Bars that serve open alcohol
Churches
Federal buildings (post office, librarys, court)
Any private establishment that has notice posted on entrance way.

Plus you are not legaly allowed to carry if you been drinking.

[ylexot (Premo)]

Originally Posted by migtig

Not true - I am living proof.

Of course I wasn't thinking too clearly after it.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

But it doesnt negate the fact that your home is now an area where ONLY the criminal would have a gun.

Well, if I were some pacifist person who didn't want guns around in any way, shape or form, it probably wouldn't bother me.

But that's hypothetical because 2A knows he could bring a gun to my house and it wouldn't bother me. He just can't shoot targets in my yard and freak my neighbors out.

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Well, if I were some pacifist person who didn't want guns around in any way, shape or form, it probably wouldn't bother me.

Agreed, and thats your right.