Misquoting Jesus

[Marie]

Parts of the Bible are false and untrue and the other parts are the scripture.[/quote]

I disagree the Bible is Inerrant and Infalable word of God
Christ told the apostles that after the reserection that the Holly Spirit would come upon them so they would remember clearly.

JPC, In two earlier post you said that Christ dying on the cross is a free in for everyone. This is silly to me, if that were the case there would be no need for hell. It also defeats the purpose of the cross and Why go through a blood scarafice for the atoment of sin.
He's God he could have just made it so. Also it robs Grace and takes away from it. I provided the Westminster Confession because it provides a clear consise layout of the tennants of faith as to prevent any of my words from being misconstrud, and since scripture examples provided by numerous folks in the past havent been clear for you. I am a frm beliver in Sola Scriptura, but that on its self wasnt helpfull for you.
Having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ (God) is a wonderfull thing I wish everyone had one, having a personal relation ship with a God other than that of the Bible will send you to hell no matter how comfortable it is now. Any other God than Jesus Christ of the Bible, is not a God at all, (Sorry my Mormon friends)
I just listened to CS Lewis the ScrewTape letters maybe that would help clear things up for you as there is some great stuff in there. Its a narative between two demons a senior and a underling, and the stradigies used to attack man, and there was a section on false prohets like Buddah and Mohamed and how Satin uses them to his advantage.


Just out of coursity when you read the Bible did you read the whole thing?
Was it a study Bible with commentary?
Do you read your Bible Daily?
Do you have any fellowship with Christians outside of this forum?
I get an impression and I hope its wrong that your just out there and not part of the body of christ.
Do you have a church home?

I cant make it next Saturday, But why dont you join us at Nicolette park some Saturday at 3 Pm for burgers and feed both the body and the soul. The sermons is about 15 minutes and strait from Gods word, not Mans and trying to tie it back to scripture.
When entering the park turn left and its ussually the first pavilion. Everyones welcome and you will see all the kids from the neighborhood and lots of activity.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by Marie

JPC, In two earlier post you said that Christ dying on the cross is a free in for everyone.

That is true and everyone everywhere for all times do get saved on Judgement Day.

With God all things are posible.

Originally Posted by Marie

This is silly to me, if that were the case there would be no need for hell.

That is correct, there is no need for hell and never was any need for the hell nonsense.

Hell is from the Greek religion with Hades and fire in hell but not from Christ, link HERE.

Originally Posted by Marie

It also defeats the purpose of the cross and Why go through a blood scarafice for the atoment of sin.

The blood sacrifices pointed to Christ and it tought the ignorant Hebrew how to clean and cook the meat before eating it.

Christ forgave sins before the cross to show that he had the power to forgive sins already link HERE.

The cross did not forgive sins, the cross destroyed the punishment for sin = atonement.

So sins still happen but no punishment on Judgement Day as price is paid in full.

Originally Posted by Marie

He's God he could have just made it so. Also it robs Grace and takes away from it.

God can not do anything. He can not break His own word or His own commandments.

In the Garden of Eden it was God sadness crying (lamenting) because the people screwed things up - not anger, link HERE.

And it was Christ walking in the Garden.

Originally Posted by Marie

Just out of coursity when you read the Bible did you read the whole thing?
Was it a study Bible with commentary?

I have read many different interpretations of the Bible, and I did read it from front to back all the way through, and I have read many commentaries of the Bible but not a Bible with commentary connected in the same book as I find those to be deceptive.

Originally Posted by Marie

Do you read your Bible Daily?

I use to read the Bible daily for years but I finally got the message and now I only go back to the Bible for reference or some research.

Originally Posted by Marie

Do you have any fellowship with Christians outside of this forum?
I get an impression and I hope its wrong that your just out there and not part of the body of christ.
Do you have a church home?

I was born and raised Catholic but I stopped that the day I moved from mommas' home at 20 years old.

Now I go to various Churches at different times but I have none that I can assimilate into.

So no, I have no Church home or fellowship but I do still look for one.

Years ago 1987-92 (4 years) I did go with the Worldwide Church of God but the Church leader died and then it fell apart so I became a lone ranger therafter.

Originally Posted by Marie

I cant make it next Saturday, But why dont you join us at Nicolette park some Saturday at 3 Pm for burgers and feed both the body and the soul. The sermons is about 15 minutes and strait from Gods word, not Mans and trying to tie it back to scripture.
When entering the park turn left and its ussually the first pavilion. Everyones welcome and you will see all the kids from the neighborhood and lots of activity.

I have been to that one time before a few weeks ago.

I keep forgetting about it but maybe I will start going more often.

I am vegetarian so I got a cheese and bread but no beef that time I went.

My house / apt is just a half mile from the Park so I walk there.

[2ndAmendment (Premo)]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

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Parts of the Bible are false and untrue ...

LIE

[2ndAmendment (Premo)]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

That is true and everyone everywhere for all times do get saved on Judgement Day....

LIE

[Marie]

Which parts are untrue? If you discredit any of it than you compromise the fact that any of it is true. The 6 litteral Days? People who cant accept this have a real problem as they have stripped away the very foundation of scripture.

Also why would God allow something in scripture that would compromise his word? He's God. Are we only talking about the 66 books that make up the cannons or are you adding in the Apochripha?

We just read last night how that wasnt added offically added till the 1600 by the Catholic Church and that the reason they did it was to support their concept of pergatory and pentance for the dead.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Marie

Which parts are untrue?

I've already tried this. He refuses to answer. I interpret it as, he really doesn't have an answer.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

I've already tried this. He refuses to answer. I interpret it as, he really doesn't have an answer.

That is not true.

I gave him a reply with specific answers in post # 22 of this thread link HERE.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by Marie

Which parts are untrue?

There are large sections of the Bible that are untrue and some complete books of the Bible are fakes.

Christianity has been trying to hide the info since its beginning and it is hard to find the info now, but it can be found.

What is considered the beginning of modern Bible scholar criticism is from a German named Strauss :

link HERE,

and link HERE,

and Biblical criticism link HERE.

Originally Posted by Marie

If you discredit any of it than you compromise the fact that any of it is true.

That is correct for persons that put their shallow faith in the Bible and not in God.

God is not in the Bible. Stories about God are there but He lives out here in real life and not locked in that book.

I find it incredibly strengthening to see that the fake parts reveal the truth more precisely.

It is like a Court case to find that one is lying and that other must be true.

Originally Posted by Marie

The 6 litteral Days? People who cant accept this have a real problem as they have stripped away the very foundation of scripture.

The 6 literal days is not correct and it comes from the first chapter of Genesis where the Hebrews added that chapter section while in the Babylon captivity known as the Priestly (P) sourse.

We can tell the different parts because that chapter does not use the name of "Yahweh Elohim" (LORD God in King James Version) as does starting in Genesis 2:4b, link HERE.

Originally Posted by Marie

Also why would God allow something in scripture that would compromise his word? He's God.

He hid the truth on purpose so that any sincere person could seek it and find it but He does not give the children's food to the dogs to trample over.

The truths and message in the Bible can make anyone powerful even to move mountains and so it is hidden from the infidels.

Originally Posted by Marie

Are we only talking about the 66 books that make up the cannons or are you adding in the Apochripha?

Yes, I am only refering to the Protestant versions of the Bible.

The Catholic Apochripha does have some historic value but not inspired scripture.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

There are large sections of the Bible that are untrue and some complete books of the Bible are fakes.

Christianity has been trying to hide the info since its beginning and it is hard to find the info now, but it can be found.

What is considered the beginning of modern Bible scholar criticism is from a German named Strauss :

link HERE,

and link HERE,

and Biblical criticism link HERE. That is correct for persons that put their shallow faith in the Bible and not in God.

God is not in the Bible. Stories about God are there but He lives out here in real life and not locked in that book.

I find it incredibly strengthening to see that the fake parts reveal the truth more precisely.

It is like a Court case to find that one is lying and that other must be true. The 6 literal days is not correct and it comes from the first chapter of Genesis where the Hebrews added that chapter section while in the Babylon captivity known as the Priestly (P) sourse.

We can tell the different parts because that chapter does not use the name of "Yahweh Elohim" (LORD God in King James Version) as does starting in Genesis 2:4b, link HERE.

He hid the truth on purpose so that any sincere person could seek it and find it but He does not give the children's food to the dogs to trample over.

The truths and message in the Bible can make anyone powerful even to move mountains and so it is hidden from the infidels. Yes, I am only refering to the Protestant versions of the Bible.

The Catholic Apochripha does have some historic value but not inspired scripture.

You sir are an idiot!

[2ndAmendment (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You sir are an idiot!

Be careful.

Matthew 5:21-24

21"You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'

22"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

23"Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,

24leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering.

JPC is deluded. He pursues justification for His sins by finding modern trash that conforms to his way of thinking rather than the truth as proclaimed by those that walked and talked with Jesus and those that experienced the conviction of Jesus like Saul (Paul). He has fallen for the trap of humanism.

2 Timothy 2:3-4

3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

4and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

JPC proclaims lies as truth. He has been rebuked on this board and by church leaders in church privately and publicly from the pulpit. He refuses to change. Just turn your back on him and shake the dust from your feet. Refute what he posts with scripture. Call his lies lies so that others will not be led to believe what he proclaims.