Gospel of Inclusion.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by This_person

I understand you,

but I see your opinions are filthy and sinful.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I understand you,

No, I don't think that you do

but I see your opinions are filthy and sinful.

What is filthy or sinful about recognizing that the one who takes an oath is the one responsible for fullfilling that oath?

I'll even give you kudos for Hillary sticking by Bill time after time after time after time of his infidelities. She did not get divorced.

But, what does that have to do with it being Bill who is the one who swore in front of God, family, friends, and on a document that he wouldn't perform those infidelities, and thus it is Bill who was in the wrong?

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by ~mellabella~

I know some people divorce for the wrong reasons, and yeah they run their spouse for all they've got. But not all people divorce for the money, some divorce for the sake of their mental/physical wellbeing. In that case, divorce is not a reward.

My point was, and still is,

that:

Divorce is never a reward,

and divorce is never a victory.

Divorce is always a hostile action,

and divorce is always a mark of a failure.

Therefore trying to minimize the divorces and trying to save marriages is the thing that society needs.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

My point was, and still is, that:
Divorce is never a reward,

Except to the victim of abuse, I agree

and divorce is never a victory.

Except to the victim of abuse, I agree

Divorce is always a hostile action,

Except to the victim of abuse, or when two adults can achieve some level of mature parting of ways, it usually is

and divorce is always a mark of a failure.

Here, you're just plain wrong. When the wronged party finally chooses self worth over a cheating spouse, or an abusive spouse, after long and repeated attempts at making the marriage work, it is not a failure to that person. It may be a failure of the marriage, and it may mark the abusive, cheating, or otherwise despicable spouse, but not both spouses.

Therefore trying to minimize the divorces and trying to save marriages is the thing that society needs.

Society, yes. I agree. Through laws, absolutely not. You repeatedly state that the government should get out of the way of what the people in the family want and need, and in this case you are right. Keep the government out of marriages - especially trying to keep failed marriages together.

[~mellabella~]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Divorce is presented like some kind of reward for the spouse that got cheated on.
What I did say was that granting a divorce is NOT a victory and it is a nasty reward too.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

My point was, and still is,

that:

Divorce is never a reward,

uh, contradicting yourself hon.

[godsbutterfly]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

You keep repeating this same childish nonsense so you must think it is clever or some thing.

I do not see where you have any superiority in that regard. The BIG point of me refering to the Clinton issue is because from then till now it is Hillary that has profitted from the feasco because Hillary knew what really mattered and Hillary did the right thing, and now it is Hillary that could be the first female President of the USA and many of us morally conscious persons say it is because Hillary was strongest when she defended her marriage and Hillary protected her family from the outside adulterous woman.

If Hillary had been nieve enough to believe that divorce garbage then she would have failed and her family destroyed and surely she would be in no position to run for election if the populace had seen Monica taking Hillary down.

I am saying to look and see the big example of power in virtue done by Hillary Clinton by rejecting divorce.

Believe thy eyes instead of thy filthy opinion.

Hillary Clinton was also standing under a very public spotlight in the middle of a political arena at that time. How humiliating for her to have been seen crying or screaming at her lecherous unfaithful husband for the pain he had caused her. She had no option but to hold her head up and "stand by her man". I am in favor of saving a marriage whenever it is possible and I endured a lot to try and salvage my own, but the one who breaks the vows is most undeniably not blameless. If they have no remorse the marriage has no hope of surviving and they will do it again as I found out all too well. If there is no accountability then it depends on the person's morals and conscience and if they didn't care enough to not cheat the first time they'll care even less the second or third time.

[Xaquin44]

Wasn't JPC divorced?

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by godsbutterfly

Hillary Clinton was also standing under a very public spotlight in the middle of a political arena at that time. How humiliating for her to have been seen crying or screaming at her lecherous unfaithful husband for the pain he had caused her. She had no option but to hold her head up and "stand by her man". I am in favor of savin a marriage whenever it is possible and I endured a lot to try and salvage my own, but the one who breaks the vows is most undeniabley not blameless and if they have no remorse the marriage has no hope of surviving and they will do it again as I found out all too well. If there is no accountability then it depends on the person's morals and conscience and if they didn't care enough to not cheat the first time they'll care even less the second or third time.

This is enough for me.

Believe as you choose and it is only an ideal of mine but not my agenda.

I am going to try to get back to the thread subject and that works for me.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

Wasn't JPC divorced?

Yes, I was divorced,

and I lived long enough to regret it. Cheers.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Yes, I was divorced, and I lived long enough to regret it. Cheers.

That makes one of you.....

But, you still didn't answer my questions (again):

What is filthy or sinful about recognizing that the one who takes an oath is the one responsible for fullfilling that oath?

I'll even give you kudos for Hillary sticking by Bill time after time after time after time of his infidelities. She did not get divorced.

But, what does that have to do with it being Bill who is the one who swore in front of God, family, friends, and on a document that he wouldn't perform those infidelities, and thus it is Bill who was in the wrong?