Gospel of Inclusion.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by This_person

If he did not feel sorry "for" (instead of sorry "to" her), I would agree. But, the context of the conversation was such that he was not sorry for the pain and suffering he had caused the family he "deserted" to "figure it out for themselves" (his words, not mine), because they had all they needed with him providing nothing. In his view, as long as there are other family members, welfare programs, etc, the separated parent need not provide anything, because all is taken care of for the families. He has repeatedly said there is no such thing as a needy or hungry child unless the custodial parent only is at fault.

I couldn't put the whole context of the statement in, but as a long time arguer with Jimmy, I can honestly tell you it was there.

Junior is a grown man, with child that he recently was taken to court for not supporting. Dear ol' dad tried to get him to do the same thing he did, fight the support by going to jail. The kid is more interested in drugs, drinking, and gambling than he is in meeting Bubba in the shower, so he chose (after every legal maneuver he could muster against doing this) to finally pay a little something for his child. Didn't take dear ol' daddy's advice. Sweet family, huh?

This is just slander and lies.

This person pretends to speak for me when he himself has nothing to say.

He is a complete fraud.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

This is just slander and lies.

This person pretends to speak for me when he himself has nothing to say.

He is a complete fraud.

Perhaps if you gave your position instead of just attacking the messanger? Do you think I can't (and won't) back this up with link after link to your previous posts? Jimmy, I do it to you all the time, what would stop me now. Admit the truth!

[godsbutterfly]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Well are not you a winner?

You accepting T_p as talking for me, and expect him to speak for my son.

No wonder there is no communicating with this kind of crud.

He does not speak for me or for anyone else but his own trashy opinions made by himself.

I was asking YOU! Do you not see my interpretation was different?

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by godsbutterfly

I was asking YOU! Do you not see my interpretation was different?

That being the case then I do sincerely apologize.

The forum often makes our intentions appear different then they truly are,

so I was angry at you and now I am very sorry for mis-understanding.

And yes, I saw your first interpretation and you were totally correct in that.

T_p was not there and he certainly does not speak for me or any of my family.

I think he is just green with jealousy over my being a candidate for Congress.

My son is around and he visited here today and I try not to speak much about him on here as some other posters just try to degrade everything. Plus, even I do not speak for my son as he is 30 years old and he does what he wants.

His mom died of cancer when he was 17 and she is buried in Hollywood.

[godsbutterfly]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

That being the case then I do sincerely apologize.

The forum often makes our intentions appear different then they truly are,

so I was angry at you and now I am very sorry for mis-understanding.

And yes, I saw your first interpretation and you were totally correct in that.

T_p was not there and he certainly does not speak for me or any of my family.

I think he is just green with jealousy over my being a candidate for Congress.

My son is around and he visited here today and I try not to speak much about him on here as some other posters just try to degrade everything. Plus, even I do not speak for my son as he is 30 years old and he does what he wants.

His mom died of cancer when he was 17 and she is buried in Hollywood.

Thank you. I just wanted to hear what you had to say.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by godsbutterfly

Thank you. I just wanted to hear what you had to say.

Note, he did not refute anything I said.

Jimmy, do you deny saying that there are no hungry or needy children? Do you deny saying that if there are any children going without, that it is only the custodial parent's fault? Do you deny saying saying that you deserted your family to let them figure it out for themselves (when your son was around five years old or less)? Do you deny the quote where you said you did not feel sorry "to" your dead wife for the pain you caused her and your son? Do you deny your son's gambling issue? Do you deny your anything I said regarding your son's child support (or lack thereof) issue?

You can't deny it, because you know I'll link to one of the many times you said it, so you attack me instead. I can take it, but the life you left your son (how many DUI's has he had?) shows what you've been in your life.

You have to attack people who speak the truth, because the truth of what you are and what it meant to your immediate family (yes, I know you don't consider your son your immediate family, as was posted earlier, but.... he is) is just too painful for you to accept. You have to create an alternate reality, the one you try and live in.

[~mellabella~]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Its not all one sided.

At first it was my birth and upbringing,

then it was me and my faults,

then my screw ups again,

but then there were others that inflicted hardships.

And it still continues.

What a fun cycle to go through. Don't know about you, but I am fully capable of screwing my own life up, I wouldn't want anyone else trying to help me out!

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by ~mellabella~

What a fun cycle to go through. Don't know about you, but I am fully capable of screwing my own life up, I wouldn't want anyone else trying to help me out!

If you have not had others screwing up your life for you,

then you must be the most unusual person on the whole planet earth.

I certainly have screwed up myself many times but I hate when others do it for me.

But I still like and welcome the help and assistance of others even when they help nothing.

I still regard my ex-wife very highly even though our marriage failed.

It is better to fail then to miss the experience and the benefits.

And if I loose this election there is still much I might gain from the effort.

[~mellabella~]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

If you have not had others screwing up your life for you,

then you must be the most unusual person on the whole planet earth.

I certainly have screwed up myself many times but I hate when others do it for me.

But I still like and welcome the help and assistance of others even when they help nothing.

I still regard my ex-wife very highly even though our marriage failed.

It is better to fail then to miss the experience and the benefits.

And if I loose this election there is still much I might gain from the effort.

Others have screwed me over, don't get me wrong. If nothing else I dare say this election will be a learning experience for you. And that is the wisest thing I have ever heard you say..."It is better to fail then to miss the experience and the benefits."

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

If you have not had others screwing up your life for you, then you must be the most unusual person on the whole planet earth. I certainly have screwed up myself many times but I hate when others do it for me.

It's been said that good luck is always proceeded by a lot of hard work. It's also been said that life is only 10% what happens to you, and 90% how you respond to what happens to you.

Jimmy, you're a 90% what happens to you, 10% personal responsibility person. You blame outside circumstances for your life, instead of yourself. You blame child support for separating you from your child. You blame being jailed for your own actions for separating you from your child. You adamently refuse to acknowledge that these were choices on your part, not choices of outside forces. YOU, and you alone, screwed your life up. You need to come to grips with that.

But I still like and welcome the help and assistance of others even when they help nothing.

What assistance is nothing? This is the type of sentence you write that I have to ask if you understand English.

However, it's good to know that you welcome this assistance from me, repeatedly.

I still regard my ex-wife very highly even though our marriage failed. It is better to fail then to miss the experience and the benefits.

And if I loose this election there is still much I might gain from the effort.

It's good to read you say this. Does this mean you now acknowledge and regret the pain you caused her and your son when you deserted them to figure it out for themselves?