Gospel of Inclusion.

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

your word of god IS religion.

Which one? Which religion does God name specifically in the Bible? Outside of the JEwish nation... which religion did Jesus say belong too?

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

Which one? Which religion does God name specifically in the Bible? Outside of the JEwish nation... which religion did Jesus say belong too?

much of the bible was written by jews who were trying to form a new sect in response to a schism among jews wrt if jesus was the son of god.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

God is Holy... therefore in judgment the unholy could not enter heaven.

That does not come from the scriptures,

because Jesus forgives sinners (or un-Holy) and then everyone gets saved.

Jesus said to "love thy enemy" and not to torture them in a hell fire.

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

It is man's sin redeemed by the blood of Jesus.

Yes, Jesus paid the price in full for all sin for everyone.

Forgive them even though they do not know what they are doing.

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

The teaching that "everyone" goes to heaven regardless has been around since Jesus' day.

That is very true and correct.

Jesus was the fulfillment of the salvation for all humanity.

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

It is a false teaching that came from religion.

There is much false teachings in religions but Christ did not preach a false teaching.

Love thy enemy and not to torture them in hell fire, link HERE.

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

Regardless of the tons of evidence in Scripture that would counter the teaching of man that everyone goes to heaven regardless... common sense needs to kick in.

The problem with statements as above is that the poster gives no scripture and then demand the "common sense" be accepted.

The scriptures teach that Christ paid the penalty for all of humanity and our human senses can not quite understand the absolute forgiveness of sins through unconditional love, but there it is indeed.

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

Man that rapes and murders up to the moment he dies goes to heaven where a holy God is throned???? Not likely my friends.

According to the Bible then after death is not the end of this life but the beginning of a new birth into the Kingdom of God.

So on Judgement Day the murderer and rapist will still face down their own past sins in the "furnace of fire" and then they will see and will believe and then they will repent with "weaping and nashing of teeth" link HERE.

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

Jesus died for ALL MANKIND.

That is it.

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

All mankind is responsible to believe in the Word and Work of Jesus Christ to receive what has already been accomplished. When a person believes, change takes place by the power of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit gives life. I.e. those without the Spirit of God DO NOT enter heaven. Religion is deceptive, the word of God speaks.

This above is putting a condition when God gives unconditionally.

Salvation is a free gift.

If one had to pay for salvation by believing then it is not free and Christ did not pay in full - but Christ did pay in full.

Unconditional love means no conditions - it is free to us receiving it.

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

much of the bible was written by jews who were trying to form a new sect in response to a schism among jews wrt if jesus was the son of god.

really? Fascinating.... Jew first and then Gentile believed... yet new sect???

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

That does not come from the scriptures,

because Jesus forgives sinners (or un-Holy) and then everyone gets saved.

Jesus said to "love thy enemy" and not to torture them in a hell fire. Yes, Jesus paid the price in full for all sin for everyone.

Forgive them even though they do not know what they are doing. That is very true and correct.

Jesus was the fulfillment of the salvation for all humanity. There is much false teachings in religions but Christ did not preach a false teaching.

Love thy enemy and not to torture them in hell fire, link HERE. The problem with statements as above is that the poster gives no scripture and then demand the "common sense" be accepted.

The scriptures teach that Christ paid the penalty for all of humanity and our human senses can not quite understand the absolute forgiveness of sins through unconditional love, but there it is indeed. According to the Bible then after death is not the end of this life but the beginning of a new birth into the Kingdom of God.

So on Judgement Day the murderer and rapist will still face down their own past sins in the "furnace of fire" and then they will see and will believe and then they will repent with "weaping and nashing of teeth" link HERE. That is it. This above is putting a condition when God gives unconditionally.

Salvation is a free gift.

If one had to pay for salvation by believing then it is not free and Christ did not pay in full - but Christ did pay in full.

Unconditional love means no conditions - it is free to us receiving it.

Quote one Scripture that SPECIFICALLY WITHOUT A DOUBT says NO HELL... NO JUDGMENT...

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

That does not come from the scriptures,

because Jesus forgives sinners (or un-Holy) and then everyone gets saved.

Jesus said to "love thy enemy" and not to torture them in a hell fire. Yes, Jesus paid the price in full for all sin for everyone.

Forgive them even though they do not know what they are doing. That is very true and correct.

Jesus was the fulfillment of the salvation for all humanity. There is much false teachings in religions but Christ did not preach a false teaching.

Love thy enemy and not to torture them in hell fire, link HERE. The problem with statements as above is that the poster gives no scripture and then demand the "common sense" be accepted.

The scriptures teach that Christ paid the penalty for all of humanity and our human senses can not quite understand the absolute forgiveness of sins through unconditional love, but there it is indeed. According to the Bible then after death is not the end of this life but the beginning of a new birth into the Kingdom of God.

So on Judgement Day the murderer and rapist will still face down their own past sins in the "furnace of fire" and then they will see and will believe and then they will repent with "weaping and nashing of teeth" link HERE. That is it. This above is putting a condition when God gives unconditionally.

Salvation is a free gift.

If one had to pay for salvation by believing then it is not free and Christ did not pay in full - but Christ did pay in full.

Unconditional love means no conditions - it is free to us receiving it.

So, in context of the scripture you quoted, Matthew 6 in the same sermon (Matthew 6.15) does not mean anything... If I don't forgive, Jesus lied?

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

really? Fascinating.... Jew first and then Gentile believed... yet new sect???

for a suposed man of god your history is lacking.

the majority of the jews did not believe, those that did wrote the gospels to justify and propagate their position. Reading in the context of the times is important when trying to find the true meaning of ancient works.

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

for a suposed man of god your history is lacking.

the majority of the jews did not believe, those that did wrote the gospels to justify and propagate their position. Reading in the context of the times is important when trying to find the true meaning of ancient works.

He came to that which was His own (Jews) but His own (Jews) did not receive Him, Yet to those who believed (Jews and Gentiles) in His name, he gave the right to become children of God.... (John 1.12)

As to context and times, that is the point. Total man throughout all times have rejected the authority of God and that is why we have religious threads to go back and forth on.

Man always "propagates" his thinking. Godly men have "propagated" the word according to what the Spirit showed them and ungodly men have "propagated" their word according to what their spirit showed them.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

Quote one Scripture that SPECIFICALLY WITHOUT A DOUBT says NO HELL... NO JUDGMENT...

Well I gave two text links in the previous post but this is my favorite link HERE.

That says: EVERY knee shall bow and EVERY tongue shall confess. EVERYONE, see link above.

But I must add that I am not saying there is "no hell" or "no Judgement".

Those words are simply being mis-interpreted.

So there is a hell but it just means the common grave or tomb for the dead bodies and not a place of torture.

There is a Judgement and Judgement Day but it is not like human Judging in a Court of human laws.

The Bible discription of Judgement is best given by the entire Bible Book of Judges where the Judges teach righteousness and that is what will happen on J-Day.

The fire of torment in the Bible is a purifying fire that changes the sinner into a repentant disciple.

Fire is a symbol of the holy spirit and of righteousness but not of torture, link HERE.

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Well I gave two text links in the previous post but this is my favorite link HERE.

That says: EVERY knee shall bow and EVERY tongue shall confess. EVERYONE, see link above.

But I must add that I am not saying there is "no hell" or "no Judgement".

Those words are simply being mis-interpreted.

So there is a hell but it just means the common grave or tomb for the dead bodies and not a place of torture.

There is a Judgement and Judgement Day but it is not like human Judging in a Court of human laws.

The Bible discription of Judgement is best given by the entire Bible Book of Judges where the Judges teach righteousness and that is what will happen on J-Day.

The fire of torment in the Bible is a purifying fire that changes the sinner into a repentant disciple.

Fire is a symbol of the holy spirit and of righteousness but not of torture, link HERE.

Revelation 22.15... "outside"... guess it takes eternity to refine those who practice falsehood to become repentant disciples after they die.

Every knee will TRULY bow and every tongue TRULY confess... how sad to do this after one dies instead of taking the blessing now and having the right to become children of God.

[Your Scriptures listed in your messages did NOT say there is no hell (fire, weeping and gnashing of teeth) just said things we do as a result of believing in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of our life.)