Gospel of Inclusion.

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

He came to that which was His own (Jews) but His own (Jews) did not receive Him, Yet to those who believed (Jews and Gentiles) in His name, he gave the right to become children of God.... (John 1.12)

and there you have it, a gospel written by someone who was trying to say that "if you dont believe jesus is god then you are not one of gods children" and later attributed to john to give it credence.

how do you know this annonymus work was inspired by the godly spirit and not the ungodly?

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

and there you have it, a gospel written by someone who was trying to say that "if you dont believe jesus is god then you are not one of gods children" and later attributed to john to give it credence.

how do you know this annonymus work was inspired by the godly spirit and not the ungodly?

same way you know what you believe was thought up by man. FAITH.

Who wrote your beliefs?

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

same way you know what you believe was thought up by man. FAITH.

Who wrote your beliefs?

noone needed to write my beliefs, my beliefs are my own.

Originally Posted by freddy

Religion is deceptive, the word of God speaks.

well if an annonymus man wrote the gospel trying to convince others of his beliefs, that makes it more religon to me that word of god.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

Revelation 22.15... "outside"... guess it takes eternity to refine those who practice falsehood to become repentant disciples after they die.

I agree that it probably will take a very long time for the worse cases of humanity to come around and God will not use force so it could take a very long time for some to reach salvation even in the Judgement Day.

Revelations even says some will show repentance but then turn again after the Devil is let loose because the children of God are a stubborn bunch.

It also says the Devil will be forever tormented by the righteous fire and that the Devil will be the one everlasting reminder to us all of the debauchery that we came out of.

Sin is forgiven but never forgotten and that is what makes sin horrible.

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

Every knee will TRULY bow and every tongue TRULY confess... how sad to do this after one dies instead of taking the blessing now and having the right to become children of God.

That is very true and I agree it is a very sad reality.

People do need to repent and do right now today but few will really even try.

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

[Your Scriptures listed in your messages did NOT say there is no hell (fire, weeping and gnashing of teeth) just said things we do as a result of believing in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of our life.)

Again, I do not say there is no hell because hell only means the common grave.

It is a matter of interpretation, and a matter of faith in a loving God and not a torturing tyrant of a God.

The belief in that burning torturing "hell" is believing in a monster as their God.

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

noone needed to write my beliefs, my beliefs are my own.






well if an annonymus man wrote the gospel trying to convince others of his beliefs, that makes it more religon to me that word of god.

You sound like Al Gore... you created the "I exist, therefore I am" and evolution, and atheism... etc. etc. etc.?

We are shaped by what we see and read.

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I agree that it probably will take a very long time for the worse cases of humanity to come around and God will not use force so it could take a very long time for some to reach salvation even in the Judgement Day.

Revelations even says some will show repentance but then turn again after the Devil is let loose because the children of God are a stubborn bunch.

It also says the Devil will be forever tormented by the righteous fire and that the Devil will be the one everlasting reminder to us all of the debauchery that we came out of.

Sin is forgiven but never forgotten and that is what makes sin horrible. That is very true and I agree it is a very sad reality.

People do need to repent and do right now today but few will really even try. Again, I do not say there is no hell because hell only means the common grave.

It is a matter of interpretation, and a matter of faith in a loving God and not a torturing tyrant of a God.

The belief in that burning torturing "hell" is believing in a monster as their God.

It is a matter of interpretation, and a matter of faith in a loving God and not a torturing tyrant of a God.

It is a matter of interpretation based on belief.... "God is love", "God is Spirit", "God is a God of wrath"... all true in Scripture.

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

You sound like Al Gore... you created the "I exist, therefore I am" and evolution, and atheism... etc. etc. etc.?

We are shaped by what we see and read.

you asked who wrote down my beliefs, and i say no one and i never said that others thoughts haven't affected my beliefs. but at the same time none of them (or me) represented their ideas as those of god to make them carry more weight or convince others they are true.......

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

you asked who wrote down my beliefs, and i say no one and i never said that others thoughts haven't affected my beliefs. but at the same time none of them (or me) represented their ideas as those of god to make them carry more weight or convince others they are true.......

"none of them (or me) represented their ideas as those of god to make them carry more weight or convice others they are true..."

Why do write and say so many things then? If atheists or Christians are not trying to convice, why so many arguments? Why would evolutionists keep other type of origin teaching out of schools and such then? Why not let everyone choose?

Everybody wants everybody to agree with them.... it is guised in God, gods, man, government, and such. When I say something that burns against your belief, you immediately fire back (just like I do) ... and that is trying to "convince" others or me that I'm wrong and by default you must be right. (The reverse is true towards me too.)

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

It is a matter of interpretation, and a matter of faith in a loving God and not a torturing tyrant of a God.

It is a matter of interpretation based on belief.... "God is love", "God is Spirit", "God is a God of wrath"... all true in Scripture.

Amen, and that is so very true and well said too.

The true creator God is said to be like our Father that cares greatly about His children, and when anyone does wrong then we get punished and often times it is a severe punishment,

but like a loving Father the real God gives punishments that lead to repentance and that teaches the errant children to act right,

but the Father does not force it onto us.

Punishment might look and feel like force but it is only to stop the wrongdoing, while for doing right we must do the repenting ourselves or else it would be worthless.

Many if not most of humanity will not repent until the Judgement Day and then there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

"none of them (or me) represented their ideas as those of god to make them carry more weight or convice others they are true..."

Why do write and say so many things then? If atheists or Christians are not trying to convice, why so many arguments? Why would evolutionists keep other type of origin teaching out of schools and such then? Why not let everyone choose?

Everybody wants everybody to agree with them.... it is guised in God, gods, man, government, and such. When I say something that burns against your belief, you immediately fire back (just like I do) ... and that is trying to "convince" others or me that I'm wrong and by default you must be right. (The reverse is true towards me too.)

debating something is differnet than attributing writings to god's word.

you cliam your beliefs carry more weight bc they are gods word not religion.


if you want to debate why we debate thats a differnt argument....