Gospel of Inclusion.

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

debating something is differnet than attributing writings to god's word.

you cliam your beliefs carry more weight bc they are gods word not religion.


if you want to debate why we debate thats a differnt argument....

"you cliam your beliefs carry more weight bc they are gods word not religion."

You claim your beliefs carry more weight because they have no "religious" tone or belief but come from man alone without a need for god.

debate: n (Webster; 1992) a formal argument conducted as a contest between opposing sides... [note this is definition 2 under noun] A contest is worthless without attributing words to god, gods, man, government, science

... afterall, if your opinion is not supported by anything than it has no weight, right? Making a claim for god or no gods cannot come from one or it is not recognized. The weight of atheists rests in philosophy, government, science, and history... these must be quoted in order to be recognized as "true" or "worthy of opinion" and so therefore would imply "weight" of value.

For man to say the Bible is not written by the Spirit of God... he must quote something to substantiate that claim, like "because man wrote it"... okay, who just wrote that claim? Another man!????? Kinda weird how that works isn't it...

So in the end, which "man" are we going to believe? We choose, and it is perfectly okay to choose.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

So, in context of the scripture you quoted, Matthew 6 in the same sermon (Matthew 6.15) does not mean anything... If I don't forgive, Jesus lied?

Matthew 6:14-15 link HERE mean in this present world - now, not after death, link HERE.

We have two different equations.

One is the commandments for life in this world,

and the second is principles that carry onto the next world.

On Judgement Day the conditions for humanity will be greatly improved.

Therefore the physical demands of this world will not exist in the next.

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Matthew 6:14-15 link HERE mean in this present world - now, not after death, link HERE.

We have two different equations.

One is the commandments for life in this world,

and the second is principles that carry onto the next world.

On Judgement Day the conditions for humanity will be greatly improved.

Therefore the physical demands of this world will not exist in the next.

Well, that is certainly convenient. Here's hoping it works out that way. (After all, we reap what we sow.)

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

Well, that is certainly convenient. Here's hoping it works out that way. (After all, we reap what we sow.)

On Judgement Day the conditions for humanity will be greatly improved. Here's a picture of judgment day (I know, just written by men who were religious and trying to dupe everyone...)

Revelation 20:11-15 (NIV) Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

[godsbutterfly]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

On Judgement Day the conditions for humanity will be greatly improved. Here's a picture of judgment day (I know, just written by men who were religious and trying to dupe everyone...)

Revelation 20:11-15 (NIV) Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

You are right that you're probably going to be told it's just religious propaganda. To me it is the infallible word of God and I believe God is not a man that He would lie - just as it is written. Even Satan knows the scriptures - he said so. He said "I know scripture more than all of you." It is about Faith. I don't like to "debate" God. It tends to make people not even hear what you're saying after awhile.The only way the issue will ever be settled for some is when the moment actually comes at the end of their life to face whatever comes next for them.

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by godsbutterfly

You are right that you're probably going to be told it's just religious propaganda. To me it is the infallible word of God and I believe God is not a man that He would lie - just as it is written. Even Satan knows the scriptures - he said so. He said "I know scripture more than all of you." It is about Faith. I don't like to "debate" God. It tends to make people not even hear what you're saying after awhile.The only way the issue will ever be settled for some is when the moment actually comes at the end of their life to face whatever comes next for them.

Yeah, if we quote man (that man agrees with anyway) - it is truth... quote something like the Blble and look out! It truly is amazing how this one book has been debated, refuted, approved, disaproved, etc... but the book keeps going with 1,000's of translations that never change in meaning.

...anywho's, ...take care.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

but the book keeps going with 1,000's of translations that never change in meaning.

ummm if they never changed in meaning then they wouldn't be different translations.

[camily (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

ummm if they never changed in meaning then they wouldn't be different translations.

They are just written differently to make it easier to understand for different people.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by camily

They are just written differently to make it easier to understand for different people.

so they're written differently.

Meaning they're different.

[camily (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

so they're written differently.

Meaning they're different.

No, it's the same meaning with different phasing.
Ex:John 3:16 (New American Standard Bible)
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
16"For God so (A)loved the world, that He (B)gave His (C)only begotten Son, that whoever (D)believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:16 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.