The Letter of 138 Muslim scholars to the Pope and Christian Leaders

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

If it is the same God then one of the groups is making Him out to be a liar.

The New Testament teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, Saviour of mankind whose atoning blood pays for your sins and mine and the Messiah who will restore true peace on earth and etsablish a Millennial reign from Jerusalem.

Islam denies that Jesus is the Son of God.

So I ask you - Which do you believe about Jesus? Son of God or not?

There is Only One Truth in this matter.

and no one knows it =)

were you there?

I wasn't.

That guy over there wasn't.

In fact, no english speaking person was there.

but anyways, the only two people who know the 'truth' are god and Jesus. and neither of them are telling.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

we'll be fine.

OK - it is your free will to choose to believe that you do not need Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. So be it.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

OK - it is your free will to choose to believe that you do not need Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. So be it.

and who gave us free will?

If god didn't expect people to think for themselves then he shouldn't have let us have free will.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

and no one knows it =)

were you there?

I wasn't.

That guy over there wasn't.

In fact, no english speaking person was there.

but anyways, the only two people who know the 'truth' are god and Jesus. and neither of them are telling.

WRONG! Jesus stated that He would send His Holy Spirit to witness the Truth about who He is.
In fact, in the New Testament, Jesus said that it was necessary for Him to return to the Father (after He had appeared in His resurrected body) so that the Holy Spirit could be sent to live in the lives of those who accept His atonement. The Holy Spirit is God's indwelling power in the life of born-again believers and is the strength that brings true peace and a life-changing journey in the life of followers of Jesus. It is the spiritual reconciliation with God that can only happen through asking Jesus to be the Lord of your life and admitting that your good is not good enough to merit Salvation.

That is available to you and the entire world - each must decide where they stand with God - with or without Jesus.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

WRONG! Jesus stated that He would send His Holy Spirit to witness the Truth about who He is.
In fact, in the New Testament, Jesus said that it was necessary for Him to return to the Father (after He had appeared in His resurrected body) so that the Holy Spirit could be sent to live in the lives of those who accept His atonement. The Holy Spirit is God's indwelling power in the life of born-again believers and is the strength that brings true peace and a life-changing journey in the life of followers of Jesus. It is the spiritual reconciliation with God that can only happen through asking Jesus to be the Lord of your life and admitting that your good is not good enough to merit Salvation.

That is available to you and the entire world - each must decide where they stand with God - with or without Jesus.

So Jesus said that Jesus is the truth

well what if Xaquin said Xaquin is the one truth

is that ok?

I mean anyone can claim anything about anything and that doesn't make it truth.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

and who gave us free will?

If god didn't expect people to think for themselves then he shouldn't have let us have free will.

God wanted to have people choose to love Him because they want to -NOT because they have to or were made to. This shows true sincerity in a person's desire to want to be led by God and admit that they need Him in their life. This decision has nothing to do with establishing a religious method of reaching God but reaching out to accept the spiritual relationship that God offers each person in order to be reconciled to Him through the Atoning Blood of the New Testament Jesus - Y'shua HaMashiach.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

I have read the Q'uran, same with the Bibles. There is like passages in both, you'll point to the New Testament but ignore that the Old Testament was used as the building block. Let us remember Jesus's words :

Yes, Nucklesack, I believe you when you say that you have read the Qur'an and the Bibles.

Then you will know that there is a difference between the Jesus of the New Testament and the Jesus of the Qur'an.

The New Testament Jesus is the Son of God and Saviour of mankind through His atoning Blood.

The Qur'an teaches that Allah had no son. Islam teaches that the Islamic Jesus, Isa', will appear with al-Mahdi and will rebuke "Christians" for believing he was the Son of God and Isa' will break the cross and kill the swine.
Take that meaning for what its worth - but that's what Islam teaches.

So I ask this of you - which Jesus is the true Jesus: The New Testament Jesus, Son of God and Saviour of mankind or the Qur'anic Jesus (Isa') a lesser "prophet" than Muhammad and who was never really crucified on the cross????

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

which Jesus is the true Jesus:

trick question!

It's the Jesus with the hat.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

trick question!

It's the Jesus with the hat.

lol -

However, the right answer is the one that guarantees God's Promise of Forgiveness and Eternal Salvation for those who choose to accept and place faith in the Right Jesus. This is where God's Holy Spirit leads those who are sincere in seeking God to know His Truth about which Jesus is the True One;
Jesus of the New Testament or Isa' of the Qur'an. You choose which one to believe.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

My belief: Jesus in the Christian Bible and the Jesus in the Q'uran are the same guy, just different takes on who/what he was.

The Jewish faith has a different take than yours, in that he was a man (not clear if he was a prophet) and after Jesus/Yeshu died, "Nazarenes" after Jesus' hometown of Nazareth, became his followers.

Jesus' brother James, was head of the Nazarenes in Jerusalem until he was also executed by the Romans. The Nazarenes observed Jewish laws, and they believed that Jesus would return soon to inaugurate God's kingdom on earth. The Romans killed many Nazarenes, for being observant Jews, during the Jewish revolt. Jews believe Jesus was a founder of a religious movement, or more specifically of the sect of the Nazarenes within Judaism.

Jesus/Yeshu own brother didnt believe he was the Messiah

According to the Jewish (and Nazarenes) belief Jesus/Yeshu would be shocked that people today view him as the Messiah.

According to Judaism, Jesus was a Jewish man who was executed and later given divine status by the Christian church.

Hmmm... you are evading the question. Jesus cannot be the "same guy" because the "guy" of the New Testament is The Son of God and Saviour of mankind. Salvation is attained by faith in Him alone. The Qur'anic "guy' has no such power to save nor is he the Son of God.

As far as the Jews - faith in Y'shua as Moshiach is what comprised 1st Century believers - all Jewish men, women and children.

Orthodox Jews and Muslims are still awaiting their "Messiah" to appear and bring peace - agreed they do not believe Jesus of the New Testament was that "guy" whose atonement has been accepted by God.

God Did For Mankind What Abraham Was Going To do For God. ( Muslims and Orthodox Jews don't believe that to be true - what do you believe? )