The Letter of 138 Muslim scholars to the Pope and Christian Leaders

[Toxick]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

Exactly right. Thanks 2A. My intention is to warn that we should in fact be wary of those who extend an olive-branch which is really not in good faith but in deception in order to get us to let our guard down.

At which point they will...... what?

Stop being our friend?



Now - I'm talking as a Christian - not an American. Obviously, America isn't going to open our doors to these people, let them wander in, learn all about our nucular technology, go home and then build up an arsenal to use against us... Living together in tolerance doesn't mean that they'll be living in our homes with scimitars deftly hidden down their pantsleg waiting for the order to unleash fury.

So what does this ruse gain them?

In other words - what happens when they execute Order #66?

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by Toxick

At which point they will...... what?

Stop being our friend?

Now - I'm talking as a Christian - not an American. Obviously, America isn't going to open our doors to these people, let them wander in, learn all about our nucular technology, go home and then build up an arsenal to use against us... Living together in tolerance doesn't mean that they'll be living in our homes with scimitars deftly hidden down their pantsleg waiting for the order to unleash fury.

So what does this ruse gain them?

In other words - what happens when they execute Order #66?

Islamic theology prohibits Muslims from taking Jews and Christians as friends and associates. Muslims, however, are permitted to lie and deceive in order to advance the cause of Al'lah and belief in Muhammad. Muslims are allowed to enter into a temporary "peace-pact" calld a "Hudna" until which time they gain advantage over non-Muslims and can then break the peace treaty in order to wage Jihad again. The overall goal of Islam is to subjugate all societies dominate the entire world with the rule of Islam.

Through the present "political correctness" Islam will have an easy task in making changes within America as it is doing now in Europe.

Perhaps this is the beginning of the prophesied false peace treaty that takes place in order to usher in the reign of the One World Government/One World Religion and eventual rise of anti-Christ.

Research

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

Exactly right. Thanks 2A. My intention is to warn that we should in fact be wary of those who extend an olive-branch which is really not in good faith but in deception in order to get us to let our guard down.
That is exactly what Jesus would do; warn of wolves in sheeps clothing and of false prophets.

The quotes I posted are the true intentions of the Islamic ideology and these spokesmen mean what they say.

Do you not understand that there are Muslims already here? And they've been here for a few hundred years? They are just as American as you.

As such, if your argument is (and it basically is) :

• A Muslim Holy man made some proclamation stating Islam should be the Only Relgion - Muslims are bad
• A Muslim Holy man preached some intolerance based on his bible - Muslims are bad
• A Muslim Fanatatic commited some Violence in the name of his Religion - Muslims are bad
• A Muslim Fanatatic used his bible to justify Violence - Muslims are bad
• Islam is anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, anti-Atheist - Muslims are bad
• The Q'uran has passages of intolerance (paraphrasing) - Muslims are bad

Do you understand the EXACT same can be said of Christians? Every argument you have about Muslims a non-Christian can factually say about Christianity.

If the above arguments against Islam, that you make, make it a "bad" religion, then what does that say for Christianity?

You wont face that because its your belief, but that doestn mitigate that the arguments you use against Muslims are the same arguments that can be made about Christianity

[Toxick]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

Islamic theology prohibits Muslims from taking Jews and Christians as friends and associates.

Living in peace doesn't necessarily mean living as friends and associates.

I once had a psychotic neighbor whom I would have gladly watch get devoured by the earth if it cracked open under her feet... but I lived "in peace" with her, as in neither one of us burned the others house to the ground, or keyed each other's cars, or spoke to one another.

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

Muslims, however, are permitted to lie and deceive in order to advance the cause of Al'lah and belief in Muhammad. Muslims are allowed to enter into a temporary "peace-pact" calld a "Hudna" until which time they gain advantage over non-Muslims and can then break the peace treaty in order to wage Jihad again.

And my point is... WHAT advantage do you see them gaining from this?

I mean an advantage besides laying to rest centuries old hatred in favor of sleeping more soundly at night.


They sent this letter to the POPE - not the PRESIDENT. Do you think that the pope has some sort of information that would be relevant to them, that they don't already know or have access to?

If we "let down our guard" what can they do to betray us?

I'm sorry - I'm just not seeing any benefit to them, if this is a ploy.

I mean a benefit besides laying to rest centuries old hatred in favor of sleeping more soundly at night.

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

The overall goal of Islam is to subjugate all societies dominate the entire world with the rule of Islam.

Well, luckily, we live within the sure and fast borders (ha-ha) of the United States of Deed-By-God America. And as long as the republic stands, the above is not going to happen.

Ever.

And I fail to see how the republic could suffer from newfound peace between the Abrahamic Religions.

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

Through the present "political correctness" Islam will have an easy task in making changes within America as it is doing now in Europe.

Perhaps this is the beginning of the prophesied false peace treaty that takes place in order to usher in the reign of the One World Government/One World Religion and eventual rise of anti-Christ.

Oy.

####ing.

Vey.

[2ndAmendment (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

and saying it 'may' be a smoke screen isn't implying?

No. It was a flat statement. Implying is to involve or indicate by inference, association, or necessary consequence rather than by direct statement. I made a direct statement.

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

Exactly right. Thanks 2A. My intention is to warn that we should in fact be wary of those who extend an olive-branch which is really not in good faith but in deception in order to get us to let our guard down.
That is exactly what Jesus would do; warn of wolves in sheeps clothing and of false prophets.

The quotes I posted are the true intentions of the Islamic ideology and these spokesmen mean what they say.

I believe many who claim that I did not read the article did not really read it themselves, otherwise they would have noted the following comment within the article:



Also, the Islamic claim that Muslims worship the "same God" is not true, as "Al'lah" discounts the Deity of Jesus. Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God and Saviour of mankind; the fundamental faith in Christianity.

Islam is anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, anti-Atheist - basically against any non-Islamic society. Those who wish to deny this do so at the peril of their own future.

Research:
Research

funny you pull that one line but ignore the majority of the article that reads more liek this :

The fact that its signatories have increased compared to last year is noteworthy: from 38 – as it was last year – they have become 138. They represent over 43 nations, both Muslim and otherwise (in particular western nations). Among them are great muftis (that is leaders of the fatwa in a country), religious leaders, academics and scholars.


and btw, believeing in the same god and believeing in jesus as the messiah are two different things. One can believe in the one true god but reject that jesus is godly (i.e. the jews)

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

No. It was a flat statement. Implying is to involve or indicate by inference, association, or necessary consequence rather than by direct statement. I made a direct statement.

ok so you're directly saying it.

same deal, only you confirmed what I said you may be saying.

either way, there is no reason to be suspicious about this, and every reason to be happy about it.

[2ndAmendment (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

ok so you're directly saying it.

same deal, only you confirmed what I said you may be saying.

either way, there is no reason to be suspicious about this, and every reason to be happy about it.

I can embrace it and be happy and still be cautious. And I know that Biblical prophesy says that all peace attempts by Israel with its neighbors will fail. So I have reason to be be skeptical.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

I can embrace it and be happy and still be cautious. And I know that Biblical prophesy says that all peace attempts by Israel with its neighbors will fail. So I have reason to be be skeptical.

pfft

did it say why they would fail?

It isn't just one sides fault.

[2ndAmendment (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

pfft

did it say why they would fail?

It isn't just one sides fault.

Read. Try Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel.