A Lesbian's Deliverance

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

I'm not following (or maybe you're not (I don't know)). If faith heals you (of say cancer) then why do the faithful still die of cancer?

Because the wages of sin is death. Belief in Jesus Christ gives us eternal life, so we don't suffer for eternity.

As to literally being cured, I have two family members who are now in remission from cancer. They are cured and living. Will they eventually die of something? Of course, it is appointed for all once to be born and once to die.

Third, God's providence and will is more important than our desire/wants. If God decides not to heal - that does not minimize that He does heal others. My mother died of cancer... she was placed in remission for over 12 years (miracle) the first bout of breast cancer and then contracted liver cancer the 13th year and died one year later. God is not injust in this matter, God didn't love my mother less... or any other such argument as to those who don't believe in miracles.

True believers put God first and us second.... something the world can't sometimes understand. It is our faith that heals us... and not our goodness.

[Marie]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

I'm not following (or maybe you're not (I don't know)). If faith heals you (of say cancer) then why do the faithful still die of cancer?

Christ said in the bible in various passages that because of someones faith something was given unto them.

With sickness: I would say that because of your faith it gives you the strenght to get through any trial (like Job) whether you get healed or not.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

If faith heals you (of say cancer) then why do the faithful still die of cancer?

Because they're just not faithful enough.

[2ndAmendment (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Because they're just not faithful enough.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

"again, i have to ask, if god did this, why doesn't he help all the children with cancer, or the mother who refuses a blood transfusion in HIS name?"

Jesus said several times, "It is your FAITH that has healed you". People of logic and disbelief would never see a miracle even if it smacked them in the face. Miracles are dismissed as tricks, magic etc. Those of faith know well that God in His will and providence help children even the ones people claim God doesn't help. Your second example "a mother who REFUSES..." well, refusal is not faith now is it.

Logic has its place even with those of faith... but logic more important than faith prevents seeing God because it is BY (THROUGH) FAITH we believe and see.

her faith in god and her religion is what made he refuse the transfusion, i dont see how you can claim that she didn't have faith in god. She had so much faith in god that she waited for him to save her, and we all know how that worked out.

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

her faith in god and her religion is what made he refuse the transfusion, i dont see how you can claim that she didn't have faith in god. She had so much faith in god that she waited for him to save her, and we all know how that worked out.

Jesus said, "If you have faith you will be made well"... [several times Jesus said this in more than one gospel book]

First, faith in Jesus as Lord is for salvation. Second, when we are sick and want to be healed, we must believe (ie: have faith) that God can heal us. If we doubt that He is powerful enough to do this, then what makes us think God would answer the prayer? (Book of James discusses this well)

But again, you don't even believe in this God so what does it matter what He does? To you He doesn't exist. If He is loving, merciful, unjust, full of wrath, cruel, kind... does not matter - you don't know Him and so can't understand who He truly is.

Your attempt to make those of faith look foolish will make you and others feel good, but it won't discourage those of true faith who see what God does.

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

Jesus said, "If you have faith you will be made well"... [several times Jesus said this in more than one gospel book]

First, faith in Jesus as Lord is for salvation. Second, when we are sick and want to be healed, we must believe (ie: have faith) that God can heal us. If we doubt that He is powerful enough to do this, then what makes us think God would answer the prayer? (Book of James discusses this well)

But again, you don't even believe in this God so what does it matter what He does? To you He doesn't exist. If He is loving, merciful, unjust, full of wrath, cruel, kind... does not matter - you don't know Him and so can't understand who He truly is.

Your attempt to make those of faith look foolish will make you and others feel good, but it won't discourage those of true faith who see what God does.

again, you are dodging the FACT that this woman had complete faith that god would heal her, and she died.

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

again, you are dodging the FACT that this woman had complete faith that god would heal her, and she died.

is this someone you know? Is this a made up example? How can I dodge something fabricated if this person is made up??????

Even if you come back saying this is a real example... you are not going to believe anyway, so again I ask what is the point you are making? I get you don't believe, it's okay with me that you don't believe... and your constant criticism toward faith and true believers is not going to change the FACT that some will believe and some won't. I choose to believe... are you okay with that?

[2ndAmendment (Premo)]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

again, you are dodging the FACT that this woman had complete faith that god would heal her, and she died.

The fact is that people die, faith or no faith. It was time for the girl to die. It was not the desire of the mother for the girl to die, but to each of us, there is an appointed time.

The woman had faith. She prayed in faith. God's answer was no.