Would Jesus Support War?

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

you're the one saying that people who say they are good are akin to hitler, stalin, and slavers lol

(incidently, looking at slavery in the south and you'll find that most of them we're good christians (well, according to them)).

You see my point then... no one is good!

Anyone can be "good" compared to Hitler... how about let's say, compared to Jesus? You that good? Even He said, "Why do you call me good?" Really, are we going to put ourselves on that playing level... and if we are, can we really match up?

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

You see my point then... no one is good!

Anyone can be "good" compared to Hitler... how about let's say, compared to Jesus? You that good? Even He said, "Why do you call me good?" Really, are we going to put ourselves on that playing level... and if we are, can we really match up?

.... there is no hope for your post.

we were talking about people in a nation being good people .... in the terms that god will (at some undetermined point) kill them. Can you think of people that don't deserve to die? I can think of many.

thats more along what I was getting at. Good people that don't deserve to die listed as members of nations.

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

.... there is no hope for your post.

we were talking about people in a nation being good people .... in the terms that god will (at some undetermined point) kill them. Can you think of people that don't deserve to die? I can think of many.

thats more along what I was getting at. Good people that don't deserve to die listed as members of nations.

Jesus didn't deserve to die either... but He did for you and for me.

People in a nation, put Him on a cross - remember? You point is hopeless -death is inevitable unless you found the "fountain of youth"? Do people deserve to die? That is not even a realistic question - people will die, its inevitable. This is why God poured out His grace in Jesus Christ. And man's response was to murder Him... (and lately not believe what He said)

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

Jesus didn't deserve to die either... but He did for you and for me.

People in a nation, put Him on a cross - remember? You point is hopeless -death is inevitable unless you found the "fountain of youth"? Do people deserve to die? That is not even a realistic question - people will die, its inevitable. This is why God poured out His grace in Jesus Christ. And man's response was to murder Him... (and lately not believe what He said)

yes yes everyone dies .... not everyone dies as part of one fell swoop by god.

and woah woah woah there pal .... 'man' didn't murder Jesus. 'Men' did. I wasn't there, and I don't appreciate being lumped in.

edit: and what do you mean lately, the majority of the world has never believed.

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

yes yes everyone dies .... not everyone dies as part of one fell swoop by god.

and woah woah woah there pal .... 'man' didn't murder Jesus. 'Men' did. I wasn't there, and I don't appreciate being lumped in.

edit: and what do you mean lately, the majority of the world has never believed.

"I wasn't there, and I don't appreciate being lumped in" ??????????? what??????? what??????

"not everyone dies as part of one fell swoop by god." True, believers in Jesus Christ are redeemed and given an eternal inheritance!

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

"I wasn't there, and I don't appreciate being lumped in" ??????????? what??????? what??????

"not everyone dies as part of one fell swoop by god." True, believers in Jesus Christ are redeemed and given an eternal inheritance!

the majority of the world has never believed.

Can you show me a stat on that?????? Have you seen the numbers? They are changing, but this nation would refute what you said when it was founded.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

"I wasn't there, and I don't appreciate being lumped in" ??????????? what??????? what??????

you said man killed him .... as in mankind presumably ....

[fredcaudle]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

you said man killed him .... as in mankind presumably ....

yes, mankind. Do you think rejecting Him and poking fun at Him is no different?

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by fredcaudle

the majority of the world has never believed.

Can you show me a stat on that?????? Have you seen the numbers? They are changing, but this nation would refute what you said when it was founded.

this from the CIA world factbook

Christians 33.03% (of which Roman Catholics 17.33%, Protestants 5.8%, Orthodox 3.42%, Anglicans 1.23%), Muslims 20.12%, Hindus 13.34%, Buddhists 5.89%, Sikhs 0.39%, Jews 0.23%, other religions 12.61%, non-religious 12.03%, atheists 2.36% (2004 est.)

so 67% don't side with the christian faith.

[exnodak]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

but those ideals conflict =(

And that is why the Jews despised him. He represented a conflicting point of view. Still, he did not denounce his heritage which included military leaders that advocated a strong defense by a strong military.

The quotes from the New testament by Mark are a model for individuals to follow so that an individual might find redemption. Jesus never represented a model for societies or governments to follow except "That which is Ceasars...". That was because he embraced his Judaic roots on the matter of national defense.

Remember, he was raised in a country under foreign occupation. If he preached that you should stand up and smite your opponent, he would have been crucified much earlier as an insurgent. His message was designed to help the oppressed survive on earth as much as it was to provide redemption in heaven. It was not just holy and wise, it was the smart thing to advise.