Osteen as heretic?

[Kain99]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

Still didn't answer the questions. Simple yes or no will do. Has nothing to do with Old Testament law. Of course Jesus said:

My education is not failing me. Nor, have I ever bashed anyone over the head with the Bible!

My goal here is to lead.... To Christ.

What was your goal again?

If you were half the Christian you proclaim to be, you would NEVER take the chance of leading one away.

Soak up my words 2A and pray again.

[2ndAmendment (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Kain99

The Hebrew word sheol is translated as "hell" in the Old Testament. It's meaning is "the common grave of mankind" and has nothing to do with the current definition of "hell", i.e., a place of "fire and brimstone" where the evil are punished throughout eternity. That definition of "hell" comes mostly from the writings of the poet Dante and his book, Inferno.

P.S. Your Holy Book was translated 1827 times before it fell into your hands.

That is why I primarily use the phrase lake of fire or destruction.

Ah, so you don't believe in the Bible. OK. Enough said.

[Kain99]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

That is why I primarily use the phrase lake of fire or destruction.

Ah, so you don't believe in the Bible. OK. Enough said.

Go back to school new Christian.... You have completely missed the boat!

[2ndAmendment (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Kain99

My education is not failing me. Nor, have I ever bashed anyone over the head with the Bible!

My goal here is to lead.... To Christ.

What was your goal again?

If you were half the Christian you proclaim to be, you would NEVER take the chance of leading one away.

Soak up my words 2A and pray again.

I have not tried to attack you personally in any way but you have done nothing but attack. That is OK. But as for you leading anyone to Christ, I have never seen you post much of anything except criticism of those that actually are trying to present scripture whether it is me, IS, Starman3000, or others.

Why should I soak you your words? That is rhetorical; I really have no interest in your answer. I pray often. I certainly will pray again.

[Kain99]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

I have not tried to attack you personally in any way but you have done nothing but attack. That is OK. But as for you leading anyone to Christ, I have never seen you post much of anything except criticism of those that actually are trying to present scripture whether it is me, IS, Starman3000, or others.

Why should I soak you your words? That is rhetorical; I really have no interest in your answer. I pray often. I certainly will pray again.

Go back 2A... How many people have you seen recoil from your words?

Enough said.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

You did not answer the questions. Do you believe in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? The flood of Noah? Job? The persecution of the Jews by Egypt? The wars where Israel was defeated and led into captivity?

The answers to those questions will reveal much.

It is correct that this is Old Testiment crud that 2A is unjustly trying to force into the New Testiment of Christ.

The Bible tells that Sodom and Gomorrah and the flood of Noah were done because the people there were terrible sinners and the places were destroyed out of pity (mercy killing) and not out of violent hatred as 2A is mis-representing it.

When the USA beat Hitler's Germany we can see that the USA was justified in the same way - but that justification is not given to God when Sodom & G and Noah's world were like Germany and probably far worse.

And in the New Testiment Jesus said those people would see better treatment on Judgement Day link HERE.

And the Old Testiment of Israel being persecuted in Egypt says God heard their cries and rescued His people, and God did the same under Nazi Germany but God saved then through the US lead allied invation of Germany and not by controlling Hitler in Hitler's atrocities.

[Kain99]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

It is correct that this is Old Testiment crud that 2A is unjustly trying to force into the New Testiment of Christ.

The Bible tells that Sodom and Gomorrah and the flood of Noah were done because the people there were terrible sinners and the places were destroyed out of pity (mercy killing) and not out of violent hatred as 2A is mis-representing it.

When the USA beat Hitler's Germany we can see that the USA was justified in the same way - but that justification is not given to God when Sodom & G and Noah's world were like Germany and probably far worse.

And in the New Testiment Jesus said those people would see better treatment on Judgement Day link HERE.

And the Old Testiment of Israel being persecuted in Egypt says God heard their cries and rescued His people, and God did the same under Nazi Germany but God saved then through the US lead allied invation of Germany and not by controlling Hitler in Hitler's atrocities.

He's not listening JPC... Pray for his conviction.

[2ndAmendment (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Kain99

Go back to school new Christian.... You have completely missed the boat!

It is attack 2A season again to see if you can get me angry. Nope.

The Bible is the word of God. God came as Jesus and we celebrate His birth today whether it happened on this date or not. God cames as Jesus to be the Savior of all mankind. He loves all His creation. We must repent of our sins and accept the gift of Salvation to have it.

Not everyone is saved. And no boat will help those thrown into the lake of fire. If you don't like it, it is not my problem.

Now I leave you to your tirades of meaningless rhetoric.

[Kain99]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

It is attack 2A season again to see if you can get me angry. Nope.

The Bible is the word of God. God came as Jesus and we celebrate His birth today whether it happened on this date or not. God cames as Jesus to be the Savior of all mankind. He loves all His creation. We must repent of our sins and accept the gift of Salvation to have it.

Not everyone is saved. And no boat will help those thrown into the lake of fire. If you don't like it, it is not my problem.

Now I leave you to your tirades of meaningless rhetoric.

No Bubba... I don't want you angry. I want you to change up! Everyone who accepts Christ is saved. Everyone.

You are not the Savior.

[2ndAmendment (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Kain99

No Bubba... I don't want you angry. I want you to change up! Everyone who accepts Christ is saved. Everyone.

You are not the Savior.

I am certainly not the Savior. There is but one and that One is Y'shua.

Have you read what JPC has posted? He does not say that everyone that accepts Jesus as Savior and Lord is saved. He says the EVERYONE, no matter what they do, whether they accept Jesus or not, is saved including satan.

Is that what you believe? It is what he believes.