Osteen as heretic?

*Larry Gude* ^(Premo) · 12-23-2007, 07:46 PM

Joel Osteen on 60 minutes is considered a heretic by some of his theological critics? Dumbs down religion? Makes it about the individual instead of God?

I don't get that, at all.

Thoughts, comments?

*Pandora* ^(Premo) · 12-23-2007, 08:11 PM

To me, Joel is more of a motivational, inspirational speaker. He uses Biblical reference to convey a message to people for the purpose of everyday life. He pushes positive thinking techniques.

Not everyone can look at a Bible and get what Joel gives to people. I like him and think he does work for the good. It is amazing how people can put that down.

*2ndAmendment* ^(Premo) · 12-23-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pandora

To me, Joel is more of a motivational, inspirational speaker. He uses Biblical reference to convey a message to people for the purpose of everyday life. Pushes positive thinking techniques.

Not everyone can look a Bible and get what Joel gives to people. I like him and think he does work for the good. Amazing how people can put that down.

Being a motivational speaker and doing the work of God are two different things.

I don't listen to him, so my comments are generalizations about any speaker that may use Biblical references. If the message is primarily about men or things or the attainment of things or worldly happiness, then the message is not doing the work of God in my opinion. A message doing the will of God will be about bringing honor, praise, and glory to God and about the saving grace provided by God.

JPC sr · 12-23-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Joel Osteen on 60 minutes is considered a heretic by some of his theological critics? Dumbs down religion? Makes it about the individual instead of God?

I don't get that, at all.

Thoughts, comments?

Olsteen link does not dumb down religion.

He brings religion down to the common people and makes them smarter.

I find that Olsteen is very effective and his sermons are very well composed.

True religion is more-so about the individuals then about God because God is concerned about individuals.

If one watches Olsteen then see that he must work hard on his sermons as they are well planned out to support the message and Olsteen delivers the message like it is just simple talking without any speech writer.

Even if one does not like his message, then it would still be hard to deny that Olsteen is a true professional with high standards and high demands on his delivery.

Olsteen is an impressive speaker.

boatdoctor · 12-23-2007, 08:28 PM

Personally I find Joels speakings in a more common sense hands on approach to life while still linking it with the bible.I do enjoy seeing his program on Sunday morning. Just my .02 worth on the topic.

*rack'm* ^(Premo) · 12-23-2007, 08:39 PM

I like his message

Kain99 · 12-23-2007, 08:42 PM

He looks funny, but everytime I hear him I am impressed!

Bustem' Down · 12-23-2007, 08:49 PM

Personally I find the whole Osteen megachurch disgusting. All of the megachurches are nothing but modern day versions of the Moneychangers in front of the temple.

Kain99 · 12-23-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bustem' Down

Personally I find the whole Osteen megachurch disgusting. All of the megachurches are nothing but modern day versions of the Moneychangers in front of the temple.

It has never bugged me that ministers can make money.

Bustem' Down · 12-23-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kain99

It has never bugged me that ministers can make money.

I used to live minutes away from his church, it's really rather rediculous. A lot of churches are, I'm not just singling him out.

12-23-2007, 07:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
Larry Gude ^(Premo) Strung Out Member Since: Feb 2001 Posts: 25,228	Osteen as heretic? Joel Osteen on 60 minutes is considered a heretic by some of his theological critics? Dumbs down religion? Makes it about the individual instead of God? I don't get that, at all. Thoughts, comments? __________________ "I see you as nothing but an ass-kissing jerk whose is a troublemaker and although not very nice of me to say, I hope you die in a fire." Pandora
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Pandora ^(Premo) Pre-sequitur Member Since: Feb 2006 Location: ~ Here in the Somd Cesspool~ Posts: 8,520	To me, Joel is more of a motivational, inspirational speaker. He uses Biblical reference to convey a message to people for the purpose of everyday life. He pushes positive thinking techniques. Not everyone can look at a Bible and get what Joel gives to people. I like him and think he does work for the good. It is amazing how people can put that down. __________________ Silence is acceptance People never crumble in a day. It’s a slow fade. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9JgrJjyNzg&feature=user
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boatdoctor in the engine room Member Since: Jul 2006 Location: on the high seas Posts: 124	Personally I find Joels speakings in a more common sense hands on approach to life while still linking it with the bible.I do enjoy seeing his program on Sunday morning. Just my .02 worth on the topic.
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rack'm ^(Premo) Jaded bastard Member Since: Jul 2005 Location: Beyond your comprehension Posts: 21,036	I like his message __________________ Pixxalicious Photography
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12-23-2007, 08:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
Kain99 Hope Eternal Member Since: Sep 2002 Location: Leonardtown Posts: 24,118	He looks funny, but everytime I hear him I am impressed! __________________ The unexamined life is not worth living. Socrates (469 BC - 399 BC), in Plato, Dialogues, Apology
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12-23-2007, 08:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bustem' Down Africam Rules! Member Since: Oct 2004 Location: San Diego, CA when not out at sea Posts: 7,209	Personally I find the whole Osteen megachurch disgusting. All of the megachurches are nothing but modern day versions of the Moneychangers in front of the temple. __________________ "I was taking drugs so much I was a f****r, The final straw came when I shot all our cats. We had about 17, and I went crazy and shot them all. My wife found me under the piano in a white suit, a shotgun in one hand and a knife in the other" --Ozzy Osbourne
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