Islamic Film Refutes Divinity of Christ

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

No, that is what you seem to desperatly want it to be (for some reason). If 1/5th of the worlds population were suicide bombers then 1/5th of the worlds population would have been dead long ago.

The vast vast VAST majority of muslims couldn't care less about crap like that.

At this point, it is to the advantage of this world's free societies that the majority of Muslims in the West do not follow the fundamental teachings of the Qur'an and Ahadith (sayings of Muhammad). And, yes, I too am glad that the majority do not want anything to do with what they would otherwise be obligated to do through Muhammad's decree.

However, this is changing as we see more Muslim youth including females being indoctrinated into becoming suicide bombers for the cause of Al'lah throughout the Middle East.

Should we be surprised? No, because it has already been prophesied in the Judeo/Christian faiths that during the end-times there would be a political/theocractic rule on earth whereby armies would be amassed against Israel to inflict total annihilation and also that those who believed in Jesus being the Son of God would be persecuted and beheaded for their faith.

The role of present-day Islam is rising to global prominence through economic, political and terroristic threat against non-Muslim societies. It is quite possible that in the coming few years Western societies will collapse and give way to the rising powers of an allied coalition consisting of Russia, China and Iran - all because we were too much in denial of the real threats and desired to remain politically correct in the eyes of those who have set out to destroy the freedoms you enjoy in a Western culture.

For whatever reason you are in denial like many others and that is why I challenge you to read the Qur'an for yourself including the Ahadith which fundamental Islam uses to justify terror against all non-Muslims.

Also, just as the majority of Westerners are not in the military and off fighting to protect the Freedoms guaranteed under a Democratic way of life, not all Muslims would need to be involved in actively waging military Jihad - only supporting it in other ways in order to preserve the Islamic way of life.

We are presently in a war of Ideologies: Islam vs West.

Muhammad claims that he is ordered to fight against unbelievers until they submit completely to Islam.
"The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: I am commanded to fight with men till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is His servant and His Apostle, face our qiblah (direction of prayer), eat what we slaughter, and pray like us. When they do that, their life and property are unlawful for us except what is due to them. They will have the same rights as the Muslims have, and have the same responsibilities as the Muslims have." (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 14, Number 2635, Narrated Anas ibn Malik)


Muhammad proclaims that some of his community will fight to the end and with the Antichrist.
"The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A section of my community will continue to fight for the right and overcome their opponents till the last of them fights with the Antichrist." (Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 14, Number 2478, Narrated Imran ibn Husayn)

Muhammad encourages an all-out effort to fight against those of another religion.
"The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Use your property, your persons and your tongues in striving against the polytheists."
(Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 14, Number 2498, Narrated Anas ibn Malik)


Muhammad proclaimed that those involved in Holy battles would be rewarded by Allah.
"The Prophet said, 'The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr).'"
(Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35: Narrated Abu Huraira)


And from the Qur'an:

“Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!” (Qur’an:003.151)

“And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.” (Qur’an:008.039)

“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”
(Qur’an:005.033)

“Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." (Qur’an:008.012)


Now, aren't you glad that the majority of Muslims are Muslim in name only and not truly committed to following the teachings of Muhammad?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

LOL - Have you missed the point? There is Only One Truth about whether Jesus is The Son of God as stated in the New Testament or whether Jesus is Not The Son of God as stated in Islamic theology.

No, I think you missed the point. You actually stated it here.

Let me Readers' Digest it for you:

One religion says one thing, the other says another.

That's all.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by This_person

No, I think you missed the point. You actually stated it here.

Let me Readers' Digest it for you:

One religion says one thing, the other says another.

That's all.

Maybe we should rephrase it this way:

1. Jesus IS The Divine Son of God.

2. Jesus IS NOT The Divine Son of God.

Now: There Is Only One Truth. So, which is it?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

Maybe we should rephrase it this way:

1. Jesus IS The Divine Son of God.

2. Jesus IS NOT The Divine Son of God.

Now: There Is Only One Truth. So, which is it?

Christian = 1. Non-Christian = 2.

Until we know for sure, that's the best you're gonna get.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

A ton of out of context/archaic quotes 9/10th of which have a biblical equivilent

great proof favre.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by This_person

Christian = 1. Non-Christian = 2.

Until we know for sure, that's the best you're gonna get.

Still, all people will need to decide one way or another before they die.

However, We can know for sure! First, Yeshua (New Testament Jesus) proclaimed Himself to be The Son of God. Do you believe what He said or not?

Next: His followers witnessed His Miracles and from the time of His Resurrection, The Holy Spirit is sent into the world to witness to the spirit of those seeking God that Jesus is The Son of God. Accepting Jesus in one's life is a life-changing/born-again experience that many people today testify to and have no other explanation other than Jesus changed their lives.

Meanwhile, God's enemy, Satan, will do what he can - even through false religions- to keep people from sincerely repenting of their wayward ways and turning their lives to Christ.

You can know for sure by sincerely seeking God for your guidance.

There Is Still Only One Truth!

Jesus said, "I Am The Way The Truth And The Life, No Man Can Come Unto The Father Except Through Me." (John 14:6)

God Did For Mankind What Abraham Was Going To Do For God.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

Still, all people will need to decide one way or another before they die.

And, each person's decision is their own.

It's a movie. Are we going to be as stupid as they are regarding a movie, a cartoon, dissent of any kind or freedom of thinking of any kind? Give me a break here!

Except for the ones who are saying "practice what I preach, or be destroyed" as Osama did, they have full and complete right to their beliefs. YOU know your truth, THEY know their truth. That's all I'm saying.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by This_person

And, each person's decision is their own.

It's a movie. Are we going to be as stupid as they are regarding a movie, a cartoon, dissent of any kind or freedom of thinking of any kind? Give me a break here!

Except for the ones who are saying "practice what I preach, or be destroyed" as Osama did, they have full and complete right to their beliefs. YOU know your truth, THEY know their truth. That's all I'm saying.

As long as Islam holds to its belief that Muslims are obligated to subjugate, persecute and kill non-Muslims and apostate Muslims, we will continue to be faced with their refuting the teachings of Jesus and going by the teachings of Muhammad. This scenario will last until the end of the world so we should all expect terror against non-Muslims and non-Islamic societies to increase not decrease. The overall goal is world Islamic domination. Just like we have been at war with the ideology of Nazziism and Communism, we are now at war with a theologically based society (Islam) that wants to replace Free societies.

As long as Islam teaches that the "guaranteed" way to salvation is to die as a martyr they will continue to keep Muslims from accepting Jesus as the True Lord and Saviour of mankind.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

As long as Islam holds to its belief that Muslims are obligated to subjugate, persecute and kill non-Muslims and apostate Muslims, we will continue to be faced with their refuting the teachings of Jesus and going by the teachings of Muhammad.

It's a good thing that that is in your head.

Yes there are textual things in a centuries old book that lend creedence to your views, but these things are also in the bible.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

It's a good thing that that is in your head.

Yes there are textual things in a centuries old book that lend creedence to your views, but these things are also in the bible.

The "things" you speak of are in the Old Testament Mosaic era teachings and in the Jewish Talmud - NOT the New Testament teachings of Yeshua.

For example, the laws of stoning for adultry, an eye for an eye, etc., were followed by Orthodox Judaism prior to Yeshua's ministry.

It was Yeshua who abrogated those teachings and changed the laws of violence and retaliation to a command to put away the sword and to Love God and Love Thy Neighbor. Yeshua established a New Covenant between God and mankind as recorded in the New Testament.

By contrast, Muhammad disregarded the teachings of Yeshua and adopted the former Judaic Laws of the Talmud, applied them into Islam and they are followed to this day. Examples are the 4 penalties of capital punishment that are from the Talmud and which have been incorporated into Islam. These are:

-Death by Decapitation
-Death by Stoning
-Death by Burning
-Death by Strangulation

You do not find those taught in the New Testament teachings of Yeshua, but you do find them in the Islamic teachings of Muhammad which are still in effect for today. They are also part of Shari'a Law which Islam wants to bring to a community near you.

As long as Muslims follow the teachings of Muhammad and do not follow the teaching of Yeshua, we can expect Islamic terrorism against non-Islamic societies to increase - not decrease.