Was Christ Who He Said He Was?

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by SShewbert

Ok thank you. I have a question for you then. Would you mind me sending you more information? Would you allow me at least some time to try to make my point for religion? When I say send I mean in a private message. I am not pushy and believe that being pushy is one of the reasons people are turned away as well as for all the hypocrites.

I don't mind =)

[SShewbert]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

Oh I agree. I have no proof he isn't up there. 'Not having bones' isn't proof though.

I can see your point after this many years there's nothing stating that his bones should be there. I am saying there are eye witnesses though that say he walked this earth after he was risen and that they did not find any body in his grave.

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

I'm a he, mAlice is a she. I wasn't saying 'because it was written by man it isn't true' I was saying that 'because it was written by man it isn't proof'.

Ok I did not want to offend anyone. I can understand that a book isnt proof. All of religion rests on faith I believe. You either have faith or not. What if I had proof. Would you then believe or would you still have a answer as to why it's not true.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by SShewbert

I can see your point after this many years there's nothing stating that his bones should be there. I am saying there are eye witnesses though that say he walked this earth after he was risen and that they did not find any body in his grave.

eeehhhh 2,000 year old 'eye witnesses' are not exactly proof. I'd wager we could find more people who have seen the Loch Ness Monster and/or Bigfoot then Jesus

Originally Posted by SShewbert

Ok I did not want to offend anyone. I can understand that a book isnt proof. All of religion rests on faith I believe. You either have faith or not. What if I had proof. Would you then believe or would you still have a answer as to why it's not true.

Depends if it was actual proof hehe

I can't imagine what that would be, but you never know.

[SShewbert]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

eeehhhh 2,000 year old 'eye witnesses' are not exactly proof. I'd wager we could find more people who have seen the Loch Ness Monster and/or Bigfoot then Jesus



Depends if it was actual proof hehe

I can't imagine what that would be, but you never know.

If you are wanting physical proof I can honestly say that I could probably not produce that myself. Like you said after 2,000 or so years that would be little hard. My point was though that if you could believe after seeing proof then you have the potential to believe based on just faith. May I ask what you do believe? God? I am thinking not , but evolution, nothing just when we die we die? I am just curious. I know curiousity killed the cat.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by SShewbert

If you are wanting physical proof I can honestly say that I could probably not produce that myself. Like you said after 2,000 or so years that would be little hard. My point was though that if you could believe after seeing proof then you have the potential to believe based on just faith. May I ask what you do believe? God? I am thinking not , but evolution, nothing just when we die we die? I am just curious. I know curiousity killed the cat.

I think physical is about the only proof that would sway me hehe

I'm not 100% on what I believe. I tried the whole bible/church thing, but it never meshed (god gives man free will, but do this or else burn in hell forever, by the way god loves you never made sense to me).

I don't know if I believe in the big bang theory as it really doesn't make sense to me either.

For now I pretty much think that if (big if) god (exists?) did anything, he planted a seed and buggered off. In which case, I see no need to worship or thank him aside for the initial act. If he has some kind of plan, I can safely say his plan sucks as there are a whole lot of things in this world that are completely unnecessary to anything (i.e. stillborn babies, kids stepping on old land mines, etc.) that could and by all rights would be prevented by any kind of benevolent god.

edit: this is the very short version lol

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by toppick08

God's Word trumps all man's verdicts or conclusions......jeeeez..

That sounds real cute but we have people that claim to speak for God and thus the "word" is only their words.

It is naive people that claim God is burning people in a Hell fire for all eternity and mis-claiming that as the "word of God" and it is just made made conclusion and man made verdicts and man made nonsense that have been passed down from ancient Greek mythology.

Thus that statement quoted above is just a controlling power play that Orthodoxy has perfected over the years.

Any person that does not draw their own personal conclusions and their own verdicts are trumped by anybody that challenges them.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

If you say 'yes' or 'no' I'm fine either way.

If jesus is the same as god, then I'll say god didn't send his son down, but rather just himself.

God is Spirit (John 4:24) and no person would be able to see Him nor stand and face The Pure Light of His Righteous Glory.

The only way that God could relate to the emotions, trials, tribulations, sorrows, feel the persecutions of His enemy, and be seen and walk among mankind was to physically appear in bodily form.

The quality attributes of God is that He is:

Omniscient - All Knowing
Omnipotent - All Powerful
Omnipresent - Able to be present everywhere at the same time

Yeshua is the physical extension of God into the human race (that He created) being born without an earthly human father and only by the power of God's Divine Intervention.

Yeshua had a living breathing soul, physical body and was indwelt by The fullness of the Spirit of God, whereas mankind does not have that complete spiritual fullness nor ability to live a perfect, sinless life. That is how Yeshua is The Son and God and that is why His life, suffering, death, Atoning Blood, resurrection and ascension into heaven permits the ability for Yeshua to be the Mediator between God and mankind.

Yeshua proclaimed that His Doctrine was not His but that of His Father who was greater and that He came into the world not to judge the world but that the world through Him could be saved. The world witnessed God in action through the perfect, sinless and forgiving life and ministry of Yeshua and His Miracles . The world witnessed Yeshua, The Son, who offered Himself as the sacrifice whose shed Blood Atones for the sins of mankind and that is offered free to all who believe upon God's Plan of Salvation through Yeshua.

"I Am The Way, The Truth and The Life; No Man Can Come Unto The Father Except Through Me." (John 14:6)

[Marie]

Originally Posted by Gwydion

Can you really not speak for yourself? You make no sense and simply quoting every person that has participated in this thread, out of sequence, does not help.

Free will, god gave it to us. Use it.

I am not getting you! You said you couldnt understand the flow of the thread, so I laid it out for you so you wouldnt have to take the time to go back and read it and I gave it to you in perfect sequence.

Now your asking me if I cant speak for myself???
Help me out whats the question? I am bending over backwards to accomadate you but I am not following you!

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by Marie

I stlll cant figure out from rereading why you think I cant speak for myself, I do it quite a lot.

As to the free will are you refering to The doctrine of free will?

We are not asking you to explain any doctrine of free will, like we all know what free will is.

We are asking you to express your own free will, and give your own opinions, your own feelings, and do not quote others as if they speak for you.

That is the quest here.

[godsbutterfly]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

That sounds real cute but we have people that claim to speak for God and thus the "word" is only their words.

It is naive people that claim God is burning people in a Hell fire for all eternity and mis-claiming that as the "word of God" and it is just made made conclusion and man made verdicts and man made nonsense that have been passed down from ancient Greek mythology.

Thus that statement quoted above is just a controlling power play that Orthodoxy has perfected over the years.

Any person that does not draw their own personal conclusions and their own verdicts are trumped by anybody that challenges them.

I'm not going to argue with you because I have been round and round with you on this but you just threw something else out there that I want to address quickly: The Bible is not Greek Mythology. I took a course on Greek Mythology (a short course but a course none the less) and the gods they worshipped were not strictly Greek. Greek was not the only language of that day. Aramaic was prevalent for example. Have you even bothered to look at the area they were in? It's not hard to look thru the Bible and find the places in the Bible still around today. Egypt? Israel? Mount Ararat? - Just to name a few. Perhaps you should study it a little more closely.