A Question For My Evolutionist Friends

[This_person]

Originally Posted by tirdun

Mutations don't destroy genes. They may be advantageous, detrimental or (in most cases) do nothing. Odd bit of design, there.

There are no real "transition" species. All species are transitions between what was and what will be. If you find a transitional fossil, it means you've found something between two species already known and adding "transitional" lets other biologists know what you think you've found.

Have there been any fossils that you know of that show any conclusive evidence that there is a common species that shoots off another, extremely different species (say, a whale, a horse, a bat, and a human as final products)?

[Marie]

Announcing Answers with Ken Ham video online


Do Animals ‘Evolve’?” Part 1
Do Animals ‘Evolve’?” Part 2

[TimAllen]

Originally Posted by Marie

Announcing Answers with Ken Ham video online


Do Animals ‘Evolve’?” Part 1
Do Animals ‘Evolve’?” Part 2

I have to wonder about you Marie, the more I see you post, the more I think you have not truly studied the Bible. Most of your posts are quotes from another site. I finally decided to look at what Calvinism is, so I checked the 5 doctrines that your religion goes by. All I can say is Hmmmm... Very interesting.. I even read some the scriptures associated with these 5 doctrines, and I want to pose a question to you.. Have you honestly read the Bible?

[Marie]

Originally Posted by TimAllen

I have to wonder about you Marie, the more I see you post, the more I think you have not truly studied the Bible. Most of your posts are quotes from another site. I finally decided to look at what Calvinism is, so I checked the 5 doctrines that your religion goes by. All I can say is Hmmmm... Very interesting.. I even read some the scriptures associated with these 5 doctrines, and I want to pose a question to you.. Have you honestly read the Bible?

That takes guts!
To answer your question yes and various versions.

I read it twice a day everyday, besides my devotional time each day, and additional study time besides that each week. Not to mention listening sermons and theology podcast at work and in my spare time.

I wont react, and ask you how much time you spend in the word everyday, but I bet your feeling a little bit ashamed right now, and If your not you should be!

Your welcome to come with, and join me in study anytime. If you care to, that is after your done in the repentance corner!

5 Doctrines, are you talking about the five points of Calvinism (Tulip)?
The sola's?

What my Religion Teaches? What, are you talking about?
My religion is Christianity. Are you talking about Reformed Theology, Calvinism?

Sometimes a document or a link is just a departure point to generate conversation.
I like to provide additional information and give a point of refrence. I hear whinning about that all the time, which makes no sense at all! A learned mind likes to read things rather than just listen to someone just blowing hot air and pontificating!

So if you studied up, you should be asking yourself questions about Armanism.
Like if you can loose your salvation, how do you know you didnt, and your still saved?
Why would Josepus Armanious start out as a Calvinist and then start adopting Plagueism which was deamed a Hearecy?

The Bible is full of refrences to the Elect, is that your beef you dont understand election or predestination?

I really didnt get much out of your post other than taking a potshot at someone for no reason. If you want to ask inteligent questions then I will be happy to discuss with you, on the other hand if your just looking to throw insults around....So what was your question?

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by This_person

Have there been any fossils that you know of that show any conclusive evidence that there is a common species that shoots off another, extremely different species (say, a whale, a horse, a bat, and a human as final products)?

man

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Marie

Announcing Answers with Ken Ham video online


Do Animals ‘Evolve’?” Part 1
Do Animals ‘Evolve’?” Part 2

Finally we get to the crux of why you posted in the first place.

And no, I'm not going to watch your videos.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by itsbob

man

Right, that was part of the question - mankind being the end product, with a common ancestor with whales and horses and bats. Have we found any conclusive proof of that common ancestor?

[tirdun]

Originally Posted by This_person

Right, that was part of the question - mankind being the end product, with a common ancestor with whales and horses and bats. Have we found any conclusive proof of that common ancestor?

I'm not sure why you insist that evolution is on par with creationism. Evolution is a scientific theory with extensive support from a range of sciences, most importantly genetics and paleontology. There are thousands of researchers and scientists who have dedicated lifetimes to expanding and supporting it, studying, refining, and even changing it. There is no such support for creationism or its new guise Intelligent Design.

As for "conclusive proof", I suppose it depends on what you demand for such. We have a 13.7 billion year old universe supported by all corners of physics, cosmology and chemistry. We have a planet in the 3 billion year range with life existing on it for some 2/3rds of that. Humanity as a species appears to have been around for but 1 or 2 million years, depending on where you draw the genetic line. This paints a clear picture of a changing, evolving line of genetics.

We have fossils that identify millions of different creatures that have appeared, changed and vanished before we ever existed. We have a world of genetics that shows literally millions of identical connections with primates, including mistakes (the vitamin C flaw I mentioned earlier) and a clear, common lineage of DNA.

I consider that proof.

Oh, and I've seen the clumsy Ken Ham videos. They are logical fallacy after ridiculous claim and a paranoid fantasy of a giant cabal of scientists hiding the evidence of a young earth.

[TimAllen]

Originally Posted by Marie

That takes guts!
To answer your question yes and various versions.

I read it twice a day everyday, besides my devotional time each day, and additional study time besides that each week. Not to mention listening sermons and theology podcast at work and in my spare time.

I wont react, and ask you how much time you spend in the word everyday, but I bet your feeling a little bit ashamed right now, and If your not you should be!

Your welcome to come with, and join me in study anytime. If you care to, that is after your done in the repentance corner!

5 Doctrines, are you talking about the five points of Calvinism (Tulip)?
The sola's?

What my Religion Teaches? What, are you talking about?
My religion is Christianity. Are you talking about Reformed Theology, Calvinism?

Sometimes a document or a link is just a departure point to generate conversation.
I like to provide additional information and give a point of refrence. I hear whinning about that all the time, which makes no sense at all! A learned mind likes to read things rather than just listen to someone just blowing hot air and pontificating!

So if you studied up, you should be asking yourself questions about Armanism.
Like if you can loose your salvation, how do you know you didnt, and your still saved?
Why would Josepus Armanious start out as a Calvinist and then start adopting Plagueism which was deamed a Hearecy?

The Bible is full of refrences to the Elect, is that your beef you dont understand election or predestination?

I really didnt get much out of your post other than taking a potshot at someone for no reason. If you want to ask inteligent questions then I will be happy to discuss with you, on the other hand if your just looking to throw insults around....So what was your question?

What is Armanism??

I am not ashamed, I have studied the Bible for 25 years, and still read it everyday, and pray everyday...What is your point?

What I meant was you may read it but you do not understand it...

And you believe in Calvinism, a religion based on the Bible named after a man...I believe in the Bible Named after God hence God's Word..

Did not insult you just curious how much of the Bible do you actually understand?

If you are curious about evolution...read about it..
I don't believe in evolution!

[This_person]

Originally Posted by tirdun

I'm not sure why you insist that evolution is on par with creationism. Evolution is a scientific theory with extensive support from a range of sciences, most importantly genetics and paleontology. There are thousands of researchers and scientists who have dedicated lifetimes to expanding and supporting it, studying, refining, and even changing it. There is no such support for creationism or its new guise Intelligent Design.

I'm not sure why you equate creation, ID, and evolution. While ID and creation discuss the origin of life, evolution merely talks about how it changes. Evolution does not try and figure out where life came from.

However, all of the theories are that - theories. They have the same amount of science backing them. And, the same amount of faith that they'll one day have proof they're correct.

As for "conclusive proof", I suppose it depends on what you demand for such. We have a 13.7 billion year old universe supported by all corners of physics, cosmology and chemistry. We have a planet in the 3 billion year range with life existing on it for some 2/3rds of that. Humanity as a species appears to have been around for but 1 or 2 million years, depending on where you draw the genetic line. This paints a clear picture of a changing, evolving line of genetics.

Now, are you talking proof of evolution, creation, or ID here? They're all equally supported by this information above.

We have fossils that identify millions of different creatures that have appeared, changed and vanished before we ever existed. We have a world of genetics that shows literally millions of identical connections with primates, including mistakes (the vitamin C flaw I mentioned earlier) and a clear, common lineage of DNA.

Wait - we all breathe air, too!!!! The final proof!!!!!

I've looked myself, and can't find that identical connection with primates, horses, whales, and bats (not to mention trees and insects and viruses that must have all formed from that original cell of life). If you could provide me a link, I'd greatly appreciate it, as no one has ever claimed to know this until you just now.

I consider that proof.

Thank you for joining my side of the argument. Your "proof" is as strong as mine!