Christians should keep Scripture out of politics

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by wildsage

But since you are familiar with the term "abiogenesis"

Don't you find it odd that they stole a biblcal term to name their theory?

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Don't you find it odd that they stole a biblcal term to name their theory?

(Does that mean Phil Collins is a god? Not hardly.)
From Merriam-Webster, "GENESIS, Latin, from Greek, from gignesthai to be born." Nothing about creation there.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by wildsage

(Does that mean Phil Collins is a god? Not hardly.)
From Merriam-Webster, "GENESIS, Latin, from Greek, from gignesthai to be born." Nothing about creation there.

Okay, that's lame. It's a biblical term that has a meaning. You gave me the meaning. I'm telling you it's a biblcal term.

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Okay, that's lame. It's a biblical term that has a meaning. You gave me the meaning. I'm telling you it's a biblcal term.

Okay, GENESIS is a biblical term because it is the title of the first book of the Old Testament. Was the Latin language based on the OT or was the OT written using the Latin language?
Science usually uses Latin (& Greek) root words for descriptive terms that name things or phenomena.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Here we go again.

Show me the proof that life sprang up out of nothing. March me right down to that black hole 50 billion light years away and show me it really exists.

give it time. 100 years ago we didn't have thing like TVs or Radios or decent medicines etc. etc. Only by challenging the unknown and picking apart the everyday were discoveries like those made. If you assume you have all the answers you'd never find things like those because you wouldn't be looking.

one day perhaps science will find the proof you desire.

Or maybe it was god .... at least one side is looking.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by wildsage

Scientists haven't duplicated evolution but they have discovered chemical reactions that are similar to what are believed to be the precursors of life. But since you are familiar with the term "abiogenesis" you already know that, you just choose not to believe it.

No, I believe it. I believe they have concepts, ideas, a hypothesis or two, and absolutely no proof of anything regarding a single celled organism become trees and dogs and squids.

Fine, your prerogative; but to continue this comparison of faith and science just provide some evidence, something that backs up your belief, that is as close to "proof" as that is, or just admit that you have nothing but a story in a book.

That's my point exactly - neither do you.

As if you didn't know (Peppered moth evolution): - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The evolution of the peppered moth over the last two hundred years has been studied in detail. Originally, the vast majority of peppered moths had light colouration, which effectively camouflaged them against the light-coloured trees and lichens which they rested upon. However, because of widespread pollution during the Industrial Revolution in England, many of the lichens died out, and the trees that peppered moths rested on became blackened by soot, causing most of the light-coloured moths, or typica, to die off from predation. At the same time, the dark-coloured, or melanic, moths, carbonaria, flourished because of their ability to hide on the darkened trees.

And, in what way does this answer my question? How does this demonstrate an offspring species that is significantly different than the parent species and is significantly more advanced (like a single cell to a dog and a tree from the same original species)?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by wildsage

You want tangible? Jump out of an airplane at 10,000 feet without a parachute (E=mc²) while praying to your god of choice to save you from death (faith).

Before I touch any of the rest of this, what does gravity have to do with E=MC^2?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

give it time. 100 years ago we didn't have thing like TVs or Radios or decent medicines etc. etc. Only by challenging the unknown and picking apart the everyday were discoveries like those made. If you assume you have all the answers you'd never find things like those because you wouldn't be looking.

one day perhaps science will find the proof you desire.

Or maybe it was god .... at least one side is looking.

Let me try it this way:
No one says stop looking
Did you get it that time? Looking for HOW God made things happen is very enlightening, and having faith that, in time, we'll know is great. We don't know now, we have faith we'll figure it out.

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by This_person

No, I believe it. I believe they have concepts, ideas, a hypothesis or two, and absolutely no proof of anything regarding a single celled organism become trees and dogs and squids.That's my point exactly - neither do you.

(I know you are but what am I!) As I suggested, provide something that is as close to proof as the examples given, something other than a tale handed down by simple people who developed superstitions to explain the unknown workings of their world. The Christian belief of the first man is similar to that of many other religions -- like the Incans, for example.

Originally Posted by This_person

And, in what way does this answer my question? How does this demonstrate an offspring species that is significantly different than the parent species and is significantly more advanced (like a single cell to a dog and a tree from the same original species)?

Genetic (oh, look they stole a biblic- wait, nevermind) variation does not work that way; read about evolution before dismissing it. For a fungus to give birth to a fish, or a bacteria to a bird, would be a miracle -- which is the realm of magic and not science.

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by This_person

Before I touch any of the rest of this, what does gravity have to do with E=MC^2?

Okay, if you doubt gravity, as well, try this:
Drive a motorcycle, naked, at 120 mph directly into a brick wall (E=mc²) while praying to your god of choice to save you from death (faith).
[the discussion had to do with intangibility of natural laws like energy and their relation to physical properties like mass]