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Old 05-08-2008, 03:24 PM   #41 (permalink)
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No problemo, as long as while teaching about Christianity (including Mormonism ) you also teach about ; Judaism, Muslim (poor Italian ), Hindu, Wiccan, Satanism, Scientology, Deism, and Secularism/Atheism (according to you)
Should the local school board, run by the local people, agree to that by majority vote, I would be 100% for that. And, should they take any combination of any number of those and choose to teach that, I would be 100% for that.

The point isn't to teach everything, but be allowed to teach anything the local school board feels is appropriate.
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:29 PM   #42 (permalink)
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You can't teach evolution like science then, because where it comes to humans, there is NO test, no proof, no feasibility. Evolution has nothing that religion does not have (faithful followers for no provable reason).
fortunatly we have witnessed other forms of evolution that can be tested and applied.
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Then keep that "untestable" big bang theory, and evolution, and abiogenesis, etc., out of the classroom too.
then how would we ever doscover more about them?

or do you just not want to find out?

science = testable

god = not testable
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fortunatly we have witnessed other forms of evolution that can be tested and applied.
Unless we've taken a single cell and evolved it into plant life, aquatic life, animal life, insects, and diseases (among about a zillion other things), all we've done is proven that incestuous relationships in a species destroys the species beyond recognition of other examples of that species.

Can you show me one example of a test we've performed that takes a minute population and results in a series of more advanced offspring populations than the parent, that fall into different classes of life (like plant vs animal)? If not, we've proved nothing.
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:36 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Should the local school board, run by the local people, agree to that by majority vote, I would be 100% for that. And, should they take any combination of any number of those and choose to teach that, I would be 100% for that.

The point isn't to teach everything, but be allowed to teach anything the local school board feels is appropriate.
Now your getting (a little) closer to the intent of the Founding Fathers, which was NOT an all encompassing centralized Government
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Can you show me one example of a test we've performed that takes a minute population and results in a series of more advanced offspring populations than the parent, that fall into different classes of life (like plant vs animal)? If not, we've proved nothing.
that is not accurate at all. not even close. all evolution is not the same (something you should know) and therefore isn't looked at and/or tested the same.

which has little to do with the point that it would be literally impossible to test for god.

What exactly would you propose be taught about god in a science class?
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Unless we've taken a single cell and evolved it into plant life, aquatic life, animal life, insects, and diseases (among about a zillion other things), all we've done is proven that incestuous relationships in a species destroys the species beyond recognition of other examples of that species.
If we had already done that we wouldn't need to continue learning how it happened etc. etc.
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Now your getting (a little) closer to the intent of the Founding Fathers, which was NOT an all encompassing centralized Government
We are 100% in agreement on that. I fully don't think they're intent was to keep religion from being discussed by schools, or politicians, or anyone else for that matter. Based upon their own words, actions, speeches, etc., I don't think they meant for religion to be kept out of politician's decisions, either. Just that the government would not establish the religion people must believe in, or stop them from believing however the people chose.
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that is not accurate at all. not even close. all evolution is not the same (something you should know) and therefore isn't looked at and/or tested the same.
That is exactly my point. You cannot test for humans, nor assume the tests done on other species applies to humans. We know nothing about human evolution. It's a myth, with no scientific basis.
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which has little to do with the point that it would be literally impossible to test for god.

What exactly would you propose be taught about god in a science class?
Nothing. But, about ID - the same as what's taught about evolution, or abiogenesis, or any other mythology regarding life.
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If we had already done that we wouldn't need to continue learning how it happened etc. etc.
To "continue" learning, we would have had to have learned something already, not just had supposition.
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