Belief in God 'childish,' Jews not chosen people:

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by This_person

Okay, now YOU've made the claim, thus the burden of proof has shifted.

haha nice try

refuting YOUR claim doesnt mean i've created my own

And thats my point isnt it? You made this claim without any proof, now your asking me to prove a negative. I cant' prove Einstein DIDNT do something, but the burden is upon you to prove he DID do something.

I havent seen anything, FROM EINSTEIN, that states he was against the Big Bang because of Theological ties/reasons, YOU made this claim, and used a shady article that doesnt support that claim to prove it.

Nevermind here i'll "prove" it for ya :

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

Nowhere in that quote did he state he was against the Big Bang for theological reasons.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

haha nice try

refuting YOUR claim doesnt mean i've created my own

And thats my point isnt it? You made this claim without any proof, now your asking me to prove a negative. I cant' prove Einstein DIDNT do something, but the burden is upon you to prove he DID do something.

I havent seen anything, FROM EINSTEIN, that states he was against the Big Bang because of Theological ties/reasons, YOU made this claim, and used a shady article that doesnt support that claim to prove it.

Nevermind here i'll "prove" it for ya :

Nowhere in that quote did he state he was against the Big Bang for theological reasons.

OKay, I'll restate my claim, since you seeem to think it really, really, really really matters.

He was originally against the big bang theory.

He stated the big bang theory sounded like creation.

He was against religious concepts guiding scientific exploration.

He claimed the math was good, but that the math didn't mean anything in this case.

Only when forced to acknowledge that his theory was not as strong as the other through peer review did he even begin to acknowledge the possibility.

At the time the big bang theory was originally discussed openly, the pope claimed it "proved" Genesis. The theological side of the discussion was all about the big bang.

Did I mention he hated theology getting in the way of scientific exploits?

From this, draw your conclusions (I can only find religious sources, which admittedly may be biased, that support my claim, which is why I don't cite them).

[bcp (Premo)]

interesting, those that cry about people being bigots, turn out to be the biggest on the forum.
keep it up rangers

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

awww, we pointed out that 2ndA is a flawed, hateful, scornful, petty little man and he ran away. what ever will we do?


It doens't really matter, because if God is the one he believes in, Jesus knows 2ndA is a nonrepentent hater and we all know what happens to the unrepented sinners

the will be reincarnated with someones crank up their butt and turn out to be a joke of nature?

its just a guess

[fuzzywzhe]

Originally Posted by This_person

Okay, now YOU've made the claim, thus the burden of proof has shifted.

Click and start going through the links:

georges lemaitre einstein big bang - Google Search

Everything I've said is very well documented.

I'm not here to convince you, I'm here to correct you. I really don't care what you believe, but I do care when other people believe incorrect statements. If you want to continue to make them, that doesn't only seem dishonest, but sinful to me.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by fuzzywzhe

Click and start going through the links:

georges lemaitre einstein big bang - Google Search

Everything I've said is very well documented.

I'm not here to convince you, I'm here to correct you. I really don't care what you believe, but I do care when other people believe incorrect statements. If you want to continue to make them, that doesn't only seem dishonest, but sinful to me.

I actually wasn't talking to you, unless you've become Nucklesack recently.

What you've said is only partially true. Einstein did not originally embrace the Big Bang theory, he strongly critisized it. He EVENTUALLY embraced it.

We can debate why he originally thought it wrong. Was it religion? Was it ego for his own pet theory? Was it both (this is my belief based on the reading I've done)?

As an atheist, your views on what constitute sinful behavior are really kind of silly, don't you think? However, my understandings are not dishonest, as you suggest. They're merely informed.

[fuzzywzhe]

Originally Posted by This_person

He was originally against the big bang theory.

He stated the big bang theory sounded like creation.

I would very much like to see Einstein using RELIGION to justify his position on science. Please cite a reputable reference.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by fuzzywzhe

I would very much like to see Einstein using RELIGION to justify his position on science. Please cite a reputable reference.

Link

[fuzzywzhe]

Originally Posted by This_person

What you've said is only partially true. Einstein did not originally embrace the Big Bang theory, he strongly critisized it. He EVENTUALLY embraced it.

Yes, this may be true, that Einstein didn't originally believe LeMaite was correct, people are often wrong in discovering new things in nature. LeMaitre has absolutely no evidence when he first proposed the idea, and there was no observable data when LeMaitre first came up with the idea to support LeMaitre's theory.

But Einstein didn't originally dismiss it because of religious reasons. Einstein dismissed it for the same reason I dismiss the concept of god - there wasn't any hard evidence of it. The very second hard evidence showed up Einstein was forced by the very discipline of science to admit he was wrong and LeMaitre was probably right. It's still quite possible through that LeMaitre was wrong.

To state that Einstein dismissed LeMatire's idea on religious grounds is absurd.

To be strictly fair, LeMaitre actually jumped the gun because his theory of a creation event of the universe had no observable evidence at the time LeMaitre first suggested the idea.

Originally Posted by This_person

As an atheist, your views on what constitute sinful behavior are really kind of silly, don't you think? However, my understandings are not dishonest, as you suggest. They're merely informed.

If you want to believe you're informed, when it's clear to me that you are not, that's your business. I frequently find myself wrong, and when I discover I am wrong, I see to it that I correct myself. Over time, I become more correct and as a result I grow as an individual. It is a humbling experience to learn.

In my personal opinion, misleading people, that would seem quite wrong to me. Your statements about why Einstein initially didn't believe in the big bang theory is either based off from ignorance, or it's based off from dishonesty, I see no other possibility.

I'd like to point out that before you right now is the most powerful research tool ever made by mankind. Go ahead and put it to use and do it with an open mind.

[fuzzywzhe]

Originally Posted by fuzzywzhe

I would very much like to see Einstein using RELIGION to justify his position on science. Please cite a reputable reference.

That's a link back to this forum. Again, I would very much like to see Einstein using religion to justify his position on science from a reputable source.