Belief in God 'childish,' Jews not chosen people:

[This_person]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

this is kind of like his multiple eve theroy, only supported by TP's assertions. in that one he kept quoting a passge that didn't support his argument either.

the fact that he cant find a quote from AE that justifys his reading of the matter is very telling.

as he said, he cant prove it through unbiased sources......

But, you could never come up with a way it did not support it, other than your lack of understanding.

I asserted it as a possibility, noting that no one knows for sure. Certainly, other early writings speak of other people created (Lilith, anyone?). So, I'm just open minded on the concept.

Don't you worry you're kind of becoming a Keith Olberman to my Bill O'Reilly? You seem to follow and take pot shots at a lot of stuff I say, then laugh at having me on ignore .

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by This_person

Is it possible? Yes. But, read what this genius said - "...explanation of creation..."

Not, "explanation of the origins of the universe", or "of an expanding vs static universe", or anything else that was a direct issue of the theory. "Creation". Implying creator. Perhaps he was just having a Freudian slip?

The genius said "This is the most beautiful and satisfactory explanation of creation to which I have ever listened"

Nevermind that he was complimenting Lemaitre, you have asserted the creation that he is speaking of is Your creation event. In reality it was disambigous it could have very easily have been THE creation even (ie the Big Bang, you know what the conference was actually about)

Anywho we're still waiting for you to show where Einstein said he was against the Big Bang theory due to its proximity to Creationism. (by 1933 he had turned the corner on the Big Bang theory, and supported Lemaitre)

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

The genius said "This is the most beautiful and satisfactory explanation of creation to which I have ever listened"

Nevermind that he was complimenting Lemaitre, you have asserted the creation that he is speaking of is Your creation event. In reality it was disambigous it could have very easily have been THE creation even (ie the Big Bang, you know what the conference was actually about)

I'm sure this is just a big misunderstanding. The people there at the time I'm sure understood what he really meant. I believe it's referred to as a left-handed compliment.

Anywho we're still waiting for you to show where Einstein said he was against the Big Bang theory due to its proximity to Creationism. (by 1933 he had turned the corner on the Big Bang theory, and supported Lemaitre)

Yes, he supported it then. I never argued he didn't come around. My argument was that he was very close minded to the possibility due to his biases. Science, as has been repeatedly and vociferously explained to me, shouldn't do that.

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by This_person

I'm sure this is just a big misunderstanding. The people there at the time I'm sure understood what he really meant. I believe it's referred to as a left-handed compliment.Yes, he supported it then. I never argued he didn't come around. My argument was that he was very close minded to the possibility due to his biases. Science, as has been repeatedly and vociferously explained to me, shouldn't do that.

And your talking out both sides of your mouth, Forked tongue perhaps

You make this unsubstantiated Claim that Einstein was against the Big Bang theory because it smacks of creation, yet admit that your (misguided) proof occurred when Einstein agreed with Lemaitre.

Left Handed Compliment Link

an insult concealed in an apparent compliment and thus is the reverse of a real compliment

Your REALLY grasping now, if Einstein agreed with Lemaitre, he wouldnt be offering a left handed compliment since he actually agreed with Lemaitre at that point

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

And your talking out both sides of your mouth, Forked tongue perhaps

Uh, no

You make this unsubstantiated Claim that Einstein was against the Big Bang theory because it smacks of creation, yet admit that your (misguided) proof occurred when Einstein agreed with Lemaitre.

I explained it was coming from people who spoke and wrote with AE at the time, and from AE's recorded opinions on the greater subject, and from AE's words regarding agreeing the concept worked, but that it must be wrong anyway because it disagreed with HIM. He was widely regarded as dismissive of both the concept and the people claiming it, until Hubble made that impossible. Like Barry with Wright, he HAD to change his tone, or be completely dismissed from his community.