ST Matthews Church

[Dougstermd (Premo)]

The ST. Matthews church in Tulsa OK sent me a prayer rug and a list to check my needs. I can even send them a seed gift for the prayer rug. The rug is a small poster size paper rendention of Jesus. So how much should my gift be

[Marie]

[quote=Dougstermd;2961038]The ST. Matthews church in Tulsa OK sent me a prayer rug and a list to check my needs. I can even send them a seed gift for the prayer rug. The rug is a small poster size paper rendention of Jesus. So how much should my gift be[/quote

Nothing, First off a Biblical church wouldnt send you an image of anything in Heaven above or in the earth beneath. Also since we have no idea what Christ looked like.Then theres is the second commandment about graven images. I cant recall the Bible ever ordaining prayer rugs as part of Biblical worship.
If you have prayer concerns lift them up to a local body that your apart of, people that you know will pray for you and are concerned for you.
Why not send your money if you need to, to some ministery that you know is going to further the gospel or put Gods word in the hands of people that are so desperate for it?

I personally dont send money to everyone that sends me free address labels in the mail with my name mispelled on them.
I use this criteria
Ministeries where the highest percentage of income goes to furthering the gospel and not to fundraising.

Local Church first!
Ministerys that send Bibles to nations in their own language where there is a shortage.
Christian radio like FBN

[libby]

Be sure to throw out all photos of your family then, because that would be making an image of something on the earth.

[Marie]

Originally Posted by libby

Be sure to throw out all photos of your family then, because that would be making an image of something on the earth.

You missread its heaven above, or earth beneath (Hell)

Deuteronomy 5:8
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

[MMDad (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Marie

First off a Biblical church wouldnt send you an image of anything in Heaven above or in the earth beneath. Also since we have no idea what Christ looked like.Then theres is the second commandment about graven images. I cant recall the Bible ever ordaining prayer rugs as part of Biblical worship.

So all of these representations of God and Jesus are not coming from Christians? Isn't the painting of the Last Supper a graven image?

You are a loon!

[Dougstermd (Premo)]

Well how much money should I send for the rug

I am thinking since I got stimulated may2 I should just send them that check:shrug

[Marie]

Originally Posted by MMDad

So all of these representations of God and Jesus are not coming from Christians? Isn't the painting of the Last Supper a graven image?

You are a loon!

It doesn’t matter what biblically inept person creates them, whether they name the name of Christ or not, scripture says for a man to dream up a false image of God, whether its one in his own mind (one that he can live with on his terms not Gods) or its on canvas its wrong!

If your name is Bob, and I call you Roy instead, would it upset you?
You get an artist conception of Christ stuck in your head, the drop dead gorgeous blonde hair blue eyed, and he looks nothing like that do you think he would feel honored when your praying to that guy?

If someone has a low view of scripture, or the Holiness of God, I guess that does sound extreme. Id encourage you to give it some prayerfull consideration and perhaps read some Puritian writtings after an exhaustive reading of scripture.

[Radiant1 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Marie

You missread its heaven above, or earth beneath (Hell)

Deuteronomy 5:8
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

God forbids graven images for the purposes of idolatry and surely you would agree that the worship of Jesus Christ Son of God is not idolatry. Elsewhere in scipture God most certainly approves of the use of images and even commands the Isrealites to make them.

Ex. 25:18-19 - The Lord said make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end...

Ex. 26:1 - You shall make the tabernacle with ... cherubim skillfully worked.

Num. 21:8-9 - The Lord said to Moses, `Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.' So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole.

1 Kgs. 6:23, 27-29 - He made two cherubim of olivewood, each ten cubits high. . . . He put the cherubim in the innermost part of the Temple . . . And he overlaid the cherubim with gold. He carved all the walls of the Temple round about with carved figures of cherubim and palm trees and open flowers.

As you probably know, cherubim are things of heaven, as is Christ. Might I suggest you re-think your own aptitude regarding the understanding of scripture?

[libby]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

God forbids graven images for the purposes of idolatry and surely you would agree that the worship of Jesus Christ Son of God is not idolatry. Elsewhere in scipture God most certainly approves of the use of images and even commands the Isrealites to make them.

Ex. 25:18-19 - The Lord said make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end...

Ex. 26:1 - You shall make the tabernacle with ... cherubim skillfully worked.

Num. 21:8-9 - The Lord said to Moses, `Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.' So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole.

1 Kgs. 6:23, 27-29 - He made two cherubim of olivewood, each ten cubits high. . . . He put the cherubim in the innermost part of the Temple . . . And he overlaid the cherubim with gold. He carved all the walls of the Temple round about with carved figures of cherubim and palm trees and open flowers.

As you probably know, cherubim are things of heaven, as is Christ. Might I suggest you re-think your own aptitude regarding the understanding of scripture?

[Radiant1 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by libby

What?