An open question to muslims, by Al-Mansur

[Sparkzzz]

By Al-Mansur, an ex-muslim who posted this on faithfreedom.org

a site I highly recommend no matter your religious affiliation (or lack thereof).

For those unfamiliar: the questions asked are obviously pretty provocative and "evil". The kicker is that they are all actions of Islam's founder mohammed (not "prophet" mohammed). I re-freakin-peat. These actions are recorded and accepted as true by virtually all Muslims.

No less, since mohammed did them:

such things as raping war captives, belittling all "other" ideologies/religions, and killing those who proclaim to no longer believe in Islam is to be emulated and is thought to be "good conduct", by the standards of islam.


tells you something about mohammed, the pious muslims of the world, including somd; who are either ignorant or in denial of their religion.

or should be put in shrink wards if they accept these are "holy" and "standard" islamic actions, and maintain their faith afterwards.
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Al Mansur:


I was just wondering ……….

1) Hypothetically speaking, if I have you decapitated for not sharing my beliefs and views, thereafter taking possession of your property, violate your wife (in fact, I may just have sexual intercourse with her within 24 hours of your decapitation, if she happens to be a beautiful 17 year old Jewess) and bring up your children to hate and ridicule you as well as your beliefs and to think that your death was perfectly justified as it was ordered by some person known as the Merciful a.k.a the Compassionate (like some sort of sick joke), is that perfectly alright with you? Kindly explain if your answer is in the negative.

Would your answer be different, if you only thought that your beliefs are right whereas I KNOW that only I am right?


2) Muslims always say that “ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD”. As Christianity is currently the ‘largest’ religion in the world, this would mean that at least some point in time Christianity was the fastest growing religion in the world. Does this mean that Christianity is still the one true religion OR was it only the one true religion during the centuries when it was the fastest growing?

Since in the early and mid 20th century, atheism was the fastest growing “belief” in the world, does that mean that there was no God during those decades?

If pork consumption becomes the fastest growing dietary trend in the world, does that mean that God is trying to tell mankind that pork is God’s choice of meat?


3) Do you think that apostates from Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and Buddhism who embrace Islam should be killed by their former fellow coreligionists?

If your answer is in the negative, please explain in not more than 50 words why converts to Islam should be treated differently from apostates of Islam.


4) Since an enormous mosque has been built in Rome, the heart of Catholicism, would you advise/encourage the Pope to have a cathedral of a similar size be constructed in Mecca to cement and nurture ties between Catholicism and Islam, the world’s most peaceful and tolerant religion?

Would your answer be any different, if the purpose of having the Cathedral built in Mecca is not to nurture ties, but to propagate Christianity in the same manner and extent as what Muslims are doing in the West?


5) If there were books and other materials published/distributed or made available in your country which advocates violence against Muslims and is blasphemous to Islam, do you agree that it should be banned?

If you happened to be a peace-loving and tolerant Muslim, would your answer be any different, if these books and materials advocates violence and war against Jews, Christians and Pagans ONLY and is only blasphemous to these religions (e.g. attacking the very fundamentals of Christianity such Jesus was not the Son of God and he never died on the cross)?


6) Do you agree that on 9/11 it was “ISLAM WHICH WAS HIJACKED” as most American Muslims claim? [Personally I think it was Humanity which has been hijacked by Islam, not that my opinion counts]

If your answer is in the affirmative, I would presume that Allah would naturally sent these HIJACKERS OF ISLAM to Hell. Right?

Question : How do you think Allah should deal with the hundreds of thousands who cheered, celebrated, danced on the streets, shoot in the air after they saw ISLAM BEING HIJACKED on 9/11?

Please let me know your thoughts. Your views on the above matter are highly appreciated.

Best Wishes to All

Al-Mansur

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by Sparkzzz

By Al-Mansur, an ex-muslim who posted this on faithfreedom.org

a site I highly recommend no matter your religious affiliation (or lack thereof).



Please let me know your thoughts. Your views on the above matter are highly appreciated.

Best Wishes to All

Al-Mansur

All of that is nonsense as Islam is a great religion and that person is NOT "Al-Mansur" and there is nothing evil about Muslims fighting back against any violent aggressor.

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by Sparkzzz

By Al-Mansur, an ex-muslim who posted this on faithfreedom.org

I first came across this man many years ago when I was active on the MCD list (Muslim-Christian dialogue), which is now defunct. The Christians loved it when he found time to jump in the fray, but unfortunately that wasn't often enough. My user name on the list was Charlie Martel, who vacationed in Tours and loved his hammer (afaik not one Muslim caught on to the historical reference).

It was during this time period that I mailed bibles and study materials to secret addresses in Jordan for the two Muslims who were brave enough to e-mail me and ask for them. Everything had to be done on the hush hush down low. They were afraid of familial retaliation if they were found out.

Originally Posted by VoteJP

All of that is nonsense as Islam is a great religion and that person is NOT "Al-Mansur" and there is nothing evil about Muslims fighting back against any violent aggressor.

You're not overly familiar with the Qur'an and/or Hadith are you?

The man uses a pseudonym due to numerous death threats he has received for having left Islam. The term Al-Mansur is literally translated as "divinely aided", in other words "the victorious". Considering the man is so outspoken and still alive and breathing, I'd say he is indeed Al-Mansur.

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

You're not overly familiar with the Qur'an and/or Hadith are you?

I am familiar with the Qur'an as I have read it several times through and I have one in my possession.

I do know about the Hadith and I have read some passages from it, but it does not claim to be from God (Allah) as the Qur'an does so it offers little interest to me.

Originally Posted by Radiant1

The man uses a pseudonym due to numerous death threats he has received for having left Islam. The term Al-Mansur is literally translated as "divinely aided", in other words "the victorious". Considering the man is so outspoken and still alive and breathing, I'd say he is indeed Al-Mansur.

Since he has left his own religion and preaching in opposition to it - then he has earned the right to live in danger.

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

All of that is nonsense as Islam is a great religion

Originally Posted by VoteJP

Since he has left his own religion and preaching in opposition to it - then he has earned the right to live in danger.

Wow. Just, wow.

I'm guessing since you feel that way on the same token you're also glad you're a heretical Christian where you're free to speak your mind without having to live in fear for your life, eh?

Btw, I realize the Hadith does not interest you personally; however, since you proclaim Islam a "great religion" and Muslims take the Hadith very seriously as part of their faith, you may want to take more than a cursory glance at it. Just a suggestion mind you.

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

Wow. Just, wow.

I'm guessing since you feel that way on the same token you're also glad you're a heretical Christian where you're free to speak your mind without having to live in fear for your life, eh?

That is not really a "Christian" aspect since Christians have their own record in silencing "heretics" or anyone speaking against the given Christian orthodoxy.

It really is the USA gov and laws that protect me from the Christians, and even the American laws might not have protected me from hanging or other Christian methods of persuasions of just 100 years ago.

And there still are Christian threats to this day.

Originally Posted by Radiant1

Btw, I realize the Hadith does not interest you personally; however, since you proclaim Islam a "great religion" and Muslims take the Hadith very seriously as part of their faith, you may want to take more than a cursory glance at it. Just a suggestion mind you.

My own quest is for a connection with God and not for various opinions.

For me the Hadith is comparable to reading any Catholic or Protestant catechism book, instead of using the Bible or the Quran.

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

That is not really a "Christian" aspect since Christians have their own record in silencing "heretics" or anyone speaking against the given Christian orthodoxy.

It really is the USA gov and laws that protect me from the Christians, and even the American laws might not have protected me from hanging or other Christian methods of persuasions of just 100 years ago.

And there still are Christian threats to this day.

The Christian faith itself teaches to love one's enemies and you will find the same in the Church Fathers or any catechism. Anything less has been a direct result of culture of the time or of people acting individually. On the other hand, it is a direct precept of Islam to kill pagans and as a result Islam will be in a perpetual state of a dark age. That's a huge difference, but I don't expect you to get it.

Regardless, you're obviously accepting of and giving the ok for death threats against Al-Mansur's life.

Originally Posted by VoteJP

My own quest is for a connection with God and not for various opinions.

For me the Hadith is comparable to reading any Catholic or Protestant catechism book, instead of using the Bible or the Quran.

Yes, but we weren't talking about your own quest. We were discussing what the whole of Islam believes. You know, that which you proclaim is a "great religion". FYI, since you obviously don't know, Hadith is the sayings of Mohammed, which is not comparable to a catechism.

Again JP, I'm done and I'll let you have the last word. (I know how you like that). i'll trust in the intelligence of anyone else reading this thread to see for themselves that Al-Mansur HAS NOT "earned the right to live in danger".

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

It may be worth noting that something like only 5-10% of Muslims can read the Koran.

[OoberBoober]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

It may be worth noting that something like only 5-10% of Muslims can read the Koran.

And under 10% of Christians have read the bible.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by OoberBoober

And under 10% of Christians have read the bible.

That's not the same as not being able to read it. In my view.

"It says here, the Great and Powerful Oz shall get to cut the pie AND pick the first piece!!!"