Romans 5:6

[msqtech]

"Christ Died for the ungodly"
How glorious that is! Great Joy and celebration is in my heart knowing this.
It all belongs to God. That God allowed that sacrifice for me is spirit fillling.

Paul exhorts us for many things in his writings but this particular statement should humble us all.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by msqtech

"Christ Died for the ungodly"
How glorious that is! Great Joy and celebration is in my heart knowing this.
It all belongs to God. That God allowed that sacrifice for me is spirit fillling.

Paul exhorts us for many things in his writings but this particular statement should humble us all.

Amen to that !!! And just for the record:

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. (1 John 5:11-13)

[Penn]

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God;
and, the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.

All things were created through Him, and apart
from Him, there is not one thing that was created
that has been created.

Life was in Him,
and that life was the light of men.
That light shines in the darkness,
yet the darkness did not overcome it."

John 1, vs 1 - 5


Is there anything more you need to know?

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by msqtech

"Christ Died for the ungodly"
How glorious that is! Great Joy and celebration is in my heart knowing this.
It all belongs to God. That God allowed that sacrifice for me is spirit filling.

Paul exhorts us for many things in his writings but this particular statement should humble us all.

That is the point in particular that shows how all of humanity gets saved because everyone falls short and Chist died for every person of all times.

In that same chapter it goes on to say in verse 18 that;

Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation;
even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

All of humanity is unGodly and Christ paid the price in full for all as a "free gift".

Many "Christians" claim that each person must "believe" or be "baptized" or "repent" or whatever, but if a person did that stuff then they would not be unGodly for Christ to save.

[Zguy28]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

That is the point in particular that shows how all of humanity gets saved because everyone falls short and Chist died for every person of all times.

In that same chapter it goes on to say in verse 18 that;

Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation;
even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

All of humanity is unGodly and Christ paid the price in full for all as a "free gift".

Many "Christians" claim that each person must "believe" or be "baptized" or "repent" or whatever, but if a person did that stuff then they would not be unGodly for Christ to save.

Even Judas Iscariot?

John 17:11-12 ESV

11And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

Squaring the following passages with your universalist view is like saying 2+2=5.

Paul obviously disagreed with you:

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10 ESV

5This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering— 6since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels 8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, 10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.

As did our Lord Jesus:

Matthew 25:31-46 ESV

31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' 37Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' 40And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' 44Then they also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?' 45Then he will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' 46And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by Zguy28

Even Judas Iscariot?

John 17:11-12 ESV

Squaring the following passages with your universalist view is like saying 2+2=5.

Paul obviously disagreed with you:

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10 ESV

As did our Lord Jesus:

Matthew 25:31-46 ESV

Yes, everybody gets saved including poor Judas.

The thing that is misinterpreted in scriptures is that we reap as we sow now in this life and not after death.

So one like Judas paid with his physical life and in his own agony and in his infamy too.

And on Judgment Day everyone gets saved but they will still be weeping and gnashing of teeth much like Judas did in his end. But then everyone gets the gift of Jesus sacrifice and all sins are forgiven. Even the worse of the worst of sins was paid in full.

And in the scriptures the word "fire" means a blessed thing, as in 1 Corinthians 3:15

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. KJV.

ESV = If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved,(A) but only as through fire.

In the Bible fire is a symbol of the Holy Spirit and of cleaning and purifying and not to torture and hurt sinners.

[godsbutterfly]

This thread is like Deja Vu all over again!

[Im_Me]

Originally Posted by godsbutterfly

This thread is like Deja Vu all over again!

I agree, but I'm so glad we've left the "All Evolution/All The Time" phase, I wasn't going to mention it.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

I was going to join, but the thread is now ruined.

[Pandora]

Originally Posted by godsbutterfly

This thread is like Deja Vu all over again!

Yep...