A Trail of Blood

[Marie]

First Period A.D. 30-500

1) The gradual change from a democracy to a preacher church government.

(2) The change from salvation by grace to Baptismal Salvation.

(3) The change from "believers' baptism" to "infant baptism."

(4) The Hierarchy organized. Marriage of church and state.

(5) Seat of empire changed to Constantinople.

(6) Infant baptism established by law and made compulsory.

(7) Christians begin to persecute Christians.

(8) The "Dark Ages" begin A.D. 426.

(9) The sword and torch rather than the gospel become the power of God (?) unto salvation.

(10) All semblance of "Religious Liberty" dies and is buried and remains buried for many centuries.

(11) Loyal New Testament churches, by whatever name called, are hunted and hounded to the utmost limit of the new Catholic temporal power. Remnants scattered over the world are finding uncertain hiding places in forests and mountains, valleys, dens and caves of the earth.

You can read this book online
Historic Baptist Doctrine - The Trail of Blood by J. M. Carroll

It goes down through the history of the church and shows each time a new doctrine or implented change in belief took place to justify something as far as into the American church.
I bought a copy this was a great book!

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by Marie

First Period A.D. 30-500

1) The gradual change from a democracy to a preacher church government.

Hi Marie,

so you mean the true Church is to be a democracy!

Well then I say we quench the fires and forgive everyone and we all get saved, amen.

My vote is in.

[Nonno]

I looked up his wiki page and noticed this;

"His lasting legacy among Baptists, for which he is both honored and vilified, is his booklet on Baptist history entitled The Trail of Blood, published in 1931.".

Any ideas why he was vilified?

[Im_Me]

Originally Posted by Marie

First Period A.D. 30-500

1) The gradual change from a democracy to a preacher church government.

(2) The change from salvation by grace to Baptismal Salvation.

(3) The change from "believers' baptism" to "infant baptism."

(4) The Hierarchy organized. Marriage of church and state.

(5) Seat of empire changed to Constantinople.

(6) Infant baptism established by law and made compulsory.

(7) Christians begin to persecute Christians.

(8) The "Dark Ages" begin A.D. 426.

(9) The sword and torch rather than the gospel become the power of God (?) unto salvation.

(10) All semblance of "Religious Liberty" dies and is buried and remains buried for many centuries.

(11) Loyal New Testament churches, by whatever name called, are hunted and hounded to the utmost limit of the new Catholic temporal power. Remnants scattered over the world are finding uncertain hiding places in forests and mountains, valleys, dens and caves of the earth.

You can read this book online
Historic Baptist Doctrine - The Trail of Blood by J. M. Carroll

It goes down through the history of the church and shows each time a new doctrine or implented change in belief took place to justify something as far as into the American church.
I bought a copy this was a great book!

I see a list of stuff and the fact the you read and enjoyed a book...What I'm looking for is a point or a point of view?

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by Nonno

I looked up his wiki page and noticed this;

"His lasting legacy among Baptists, for which he is both honored and vilified, is his booklet on Baptist history entitled The Trail of Blood, published in 1931.".

Any ideas why he was vilified?

If you had done your homework in Wiki, you would have come up with this page:

Landmarkism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Nonno]

Originally Posted by Dondi

If you had done your homework in Wiki, you would have come up with this page:

Landmarkism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Constructive criticism is always welcomed, however the wiki article doesn't address specifically why Carroll was maligned for publishing "one of the most enduring Landmark Baptist publications". Perhaps you could answer the question.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

Hi Marie,

so you mean the true Church is to be a democracy!

Well then I say we quench the fires and forgive everyone and we all get saved, amen.

My vote is in.

HE'S BACK

[MissKitty]

Originally Posted by Dondi

If you had done your homework in Wiki, you would have come up with this page:

Landmarkism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But curious what you thought of the files that I emailed you...

[Toxick]

Originally Posted by Nonno

Constructive criticism is always welcomed, however the wiki article doesn't address specifically why Carroll was maligned for publishing "one of the most enduring Landmark Baptist publications". Perhaps you could answer the question.

I just blew a whole mouthful of pepsi out my nose.


33% for the presentation of a rational, coherent and seemingly original post.
33% for the lack of the smiley
34% for the audacity of the final sentence.

You're fulla surprises dude.

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by Nonno

Constructive criticism is always welcomed, however the wiki article doesn't address specifically why Carroll was maligned for publishing "one of the most enduring Landmark Baptist publications". Perhaps you could answer the question.

I'm sorry, I didn't know you couldn't add two and two together. They have tutors for that though.

Nevermind, let me tutor you. Quote from the wiki articles, to be more specific:

Originally Posted by wiki: J.M. Carroll

His lasting legacy among Baptists, for which he is both honored and vilified, is his booklet on Baptist history entitled The Trail of Blood, published in 1931. This booklet promotes the Landmarkist view of Baptist origins.[4]

[Emphasis mine]

Originally Posted by wiki: Landmarkism

The exclusive validity of Baptist churches

Although different champions of the Landmark Baptist cause have identified different required characteristics, or "marks," that validate a legitimate Baptist church, all varieties of Landmarkism stipulate that legitimate Baptist churches are the only legitimate churches. According to Landmarkism, congregations of other denominational varieties are merely religious gatherings, or "societies," with no claim to the title "church."

The invalidity of non-Baptist churchly acts

"Landmark Baptists have refused to recognize as valid any baptisms or ordinations performed in circumstances other than under the auspices of a Baptist church. Thus, Landmark Baptists have declined to allow non-Baptists to preach in Landmark Baptist churches and have required prospective members who have received "pedobaptism" or "alien immersion" to be baptized by a Baptist church before receiving them into membership. Expressed as a syllogism, the Landmark Baptist argument is:

Major premise: To be valid, Christian ordinations and baptisms must be performed by a valid New Testament church.

Minor premise: Only valid Baptist churches are valid New Testament churches.

Conclusion: Therefore, only ordinations and baptisms performed by valid Baptist churches are valid Christian ordinations and baptisms."

[Emphasis mine]

It is an exclusion position in some Baptist churches, much to the chagrin of other denominations. I, myself, do not agree with the policy.