God or Gods...

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

Exodus 20:2-3
I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me. KJV, link.

So where it says "the LORD thy God" the Hebrews words are "Yahweh Elohim" which means the "Father of the Gods" and so the answer is yes, the commandment is referring to other Gods that are lesser in rank.

This is why Jesus later said; "Our Father, which art in Heaven", because Jesus is a lesser God than the Father.

Everything you say can and will be used against you on Judgment day so QUIT while you're ahead. You couldn't be more wrong...no wonder you're a politician...
We do NOT all get saved on judgment day;

Yahweh Elohim does NOT mean "Father of the Gods" since there is only ONE God. YHWH or Yahweh is the tetragrammaton or the word referring to the Hebrew name used for God.
Elohim is the reference to the plurality of beings in the Godhead (Father, Son & Holy Spirit).

And, I'll correct your ignorance about Jesus too. He is NOT "a lesser God than the Father". Again, your inability to understand the meaning of Scripture is evident. I know exactly which verses you're going to use to support your case but you're STILL wrong.
Jesus has 2 natures just as we do. One is physical (human) and one is spiritual (Divine). He is the only person, EVER, who can refer to Himself as God and also refer to God the Father as His Father. The first reference is from Jesus' Divine side and the other is from His human side.

[Penn]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Everything you say can and will be used against you on Judgment day so QUIT while you're ahead. You couldn't be more wrong...no wonder you're a politician...
We do NOT all get saved on judgment day;

Yahweh Elohim does NOT mean "Father of the Gods" since there is only ONE God. YHWH or Yahweh is the tetragrammaton or the word referring to the Hebrew name used for God.
Elohim is the reference to the plurality of beings in the Godhead (Father, Son & Holy Spirit).

And, I'll correct your ignorance about Jesus too. He is NOT "a lesser God than the Father". Again, your inability to understand the meaning of Scripture is evident. I know exactly which verses you're going to use to support your case but you're STILL wrong.
Jesus has 2 natures just as we do. One is physical (human) and one is spiritual (Divine). He is the only person, EVER, who can refer to Himself as God and also refer to God the Father as His Father. The first reference is from Jesus' Divine side and the other is from His human side.

I was wondering when someone was going to "nail him" on that statement!
Jesus Christ was and is not a "lesser God" than the Father.

Read the initial verses of the Gospel of John: "In the begining was the Word, he was with God, and He WAS God".

When Jesus was teaching His followers how to pray, He told them to say: "Our Father, who art in Heaven, halloweth be Thy Name ..........." That does not denote that Jesus was a lesser God than the Father. Jesus was God in the flesh.

[Im_Me]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Everything you say can and will be used against you on Judgment day so QUIT while you're ahead. You couldn't be more wrong...no wonder you're a politician...
We do NOT all get saved on judgment day;

Yahweh Elohim does NOT mean "Father of the Gods" since there is only ONE God. YHWH or Yahweh is the tetragrammaton or the word referring to the Hebrew name used for God.
Elohim is the reference to the plurality of beings in the Godhead (Father, Son & Holy Spirit).

And, I'll correct your ignorance about Jesus too. He is NOT "a lesser God than the Father". Again, your inability to understand the meaning of Scripture is evident. I know exactly which verses you're going to use to support your case but you're STILL wrong.
Jesus has 2 natures just as we do. One is physical (human) and one is spiritual (Divine). He is the only person, EVER, who can refer to Himself as God and also refer to God the Father as His Father. The first reference is from Jesus' Divine side and the other is from His human side.

I can hardly believe I'm saying this, but I entirely agree with you.

But then I have to tell you you are arguing with a man that ends every posting with either a guitar riff or a dueling smiley so I'm not sure he's not just "stirring the pot" with his completely "whacky theology".

[Beta84]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Everything you say can and will be used against you on Judgment day so QUIT while you're ahead. You couldn't be more wrong...no wonder you're a politician...
We do NOT all get saved on judgment day;

Yahweh Elohim does NOT mean "Father of the Gods" since there is only ONE God. YHWH or Yahweh is the tetragrammaton or the word referring to the Hebrew name used for God.
Elohim is the reference to the plurality of beings in the Godhead (Father, Son & Holy Spirit).

And, I'll correct your ignorance about Jesus too. He is NOT "a lesser God than the Father". Again, your inability to understand the meaning of Scripture is evident. I know exactly which verses you're going to use to support your case but you're STILL wrong.
Jesus has 2 natures just as we do. One is physical (human) and one is spiritual (Divine). He is the only person, EVER, who can refer to Himself as God and also refer to God the Father as His Father. The first reference is from Jesus' Divine side and the other is from His human side.

You're wrong about Yahweh Elohim. It means God Almighty (Elohim being the "Almighty" part), which is basically a way of saying God has absolute power over all. Judaism first used that name and they absolutely do NOT believe in the "Godhead" and plurality stuff that Christianity does.

As for the Jesus stuff, that all confuses the living heck out of me. He prays to another God and not himself, yet he himself is supposedly God as well, yet he's not God because his father is actually God, so really that means they are two separate beings (with the holy spirit being #3), so that means that this "plurality" Godhead that you refer to means that the 1st commandment is essentially being broken. Obviously y'all don't think that's the case so there must be something else going on but it seems like a major twist on the established ruleset to justify it.

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

Exodus 20:2-3
I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me. KJV, link.

So where it says "the LORD thy God" the Hebrews words are "Yahweh Elohim" which means the "Father of the Gods" and so the answer is yes, the commandment is referring to other Gods that are lesser in rank.

This is why Jesus later said; "Our Father, which art in Heaven", because Jesus is a lesser God than the Father.

I do see that other people have different beliefs than mine,

but I stand by my posting above as being accurate and true.

And my preaching is intended for people that want to dig deeper and go farther and it is not for everyone. The people that only seek salvation after death will surely get what they are after even if they are wrong about everything else.

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by Nickel

You also have to take into consideration that speech patterns and language have evolved, so sometimes older writings are hard for "laymen" to decipher. For example, I'm reading a biography of Anne Boleyn. They've included some letters and notes that were written by or about her, which are very confusing. And that was only about 500 years ago.

When was the Bible written for?

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Im_Me

I can hardly believe I'm saying this, but I entirely agree with you.
But then I have to tell you you are arguing with a man that ends every posting with either a guitar riff or a dueling smiley so I'm not sure he's not just "stirring the pot" with his completely "whacky theology".

I want to make ure everyone sees this...
I knew I'd eventually win you over... Hi sweetie!

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Jesus has 2 natures just as we do. One is physical (human) and one is spiritual (Divine). He is the only person, EVER, who can refer to Himself as God and also refer to God the Father as His Father. The first reference is from Jesus' Divine side and the other is from His human side.

Originally Posted by Beta84

You're wrong about Yahweh Elohim. It means God Almighty (Elohim being the "Almighty" part), which is basically a way of saying God has absolute power over all. Judaism first used that name and they absolutely do NOT believe in the "Godhead" and plurality stuff that Christianity does.
As for the Jesus stuff, that all confuses the living heck out of me. He prays to another God and not himself, yet he himself is supposedly God as well, yet he's not God because his father is actually God, so really that means they are two separate beings (with the holy spirit being #3), so that means that this "plurality" Godhead that you refer to means that the 1st commandment is essentially being broken. Obviously y'all don't think that's the case so there must be something else going on but it seems like a major twist on the established ruleset to justify it.

I do not agree with you on the Elohim part but that's not a big deal to me. It's not the words that matter, it's knowing who they refer to.

I re-quoted myself to hopefully explain (again) the Jesus mystery.
You and I believe in one God; no problems there. We part company on the Jesus issue as I do (and Jesus did) with many Jewish folks. The explanation is simple really BUT you have to believe that Jesus is the Messiah, which I know you say you don't.
It goes back to Jesus being called the Son of David and yet David called Jesus, "Lord". It's easy to see but only when one acknowledges that Jesus is both God and man.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

...And my preaching is intended for people that want to dig deeper and go farther and it is not for everyone. The people that only seek salvation after death will surely get what they are after even if they are wrong about everything else.

Democrat - Strike one
False teacher - Strike 2
????? - Strike 3 You're in a bad & dangerous spot mister...
You can believe whatever you want but, if anyone is dumb enough to believe what you say (not likely), you're responsible for their being misled.
There is only one thing DEEP about your teachings....
NO ONE GETS SAVED AFTER THEY DIE.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Everything you say can and will be used against you on Judgment day so QUIT while you're ahead.

Ahead?! When did he get ahead?











oh my...

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Everything you say can and will be used against you on Judgment day so QUIT while you're ahead. You couldn't be more wrong...no wonder you're a politician...

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Ahead?! When did he get ahead?

Good point Psy. I guess I got caught up in a moment of cliche sayings.
Maybe it should read: "JPC, QUIT since you're a head case..."
I think Pixie got her answer but I hope she didn't get it from J ust P lain C razy..