God or Gods...

[Im_Me]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

I want to make ure everyone sees this...
I knew I'd eventually win you over... Hi sweetie!


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Go ahead and gloat my friend, but I'm sure there are more battles ahead.

[Marie]

Originally Posted by pixiegirl

Something occurred to me the other day. In the ten commandments, at least the versions I've been socialized with (Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian) on of the commandments says that you shall worship no other gods before him (him being Christian God of course) and I've also heard the version with the jealous god. So, if the 10 commandments were God's word is this an admission (maybe that's the wrong word but you can figure it out) that there are in fact other gods, more than one god?

Hi There,
Real Gods no, but other peoples did have other gods like Molech of which they used to do child sacrifices to. They would create a medal idol light a fire around get it red hot and then put there children in the outstretched arms of it. Thats one of the reasons they were to be a separate people and not intermarry because of the other peoples gods.
Deu 4:33 Did any people ever hear the voice of a god speaking out of the midst of the fire, as you have heard, and still live?
Deu 4:34 Or has any god ever attempted to go and take a nation for himself from the midst of another nation, by trials, by signs, by wonders, and by war, by a mighty hand and an outstretched arm, and by great deeds of terror, all of which the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes?
Deu 4:35 To you it was shown, that you might know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides him.

It also has the application that was mentioned of other Idols like money.

You have the exodus 20 list and the Deut list
Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
Exo 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Exo 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
Exo 20:6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Exo 20:12 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.
Exo 20:13 "You shall not murder.
Exo 20:14 "You shall not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 "You shall not steal.
Exo 20:16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Exo 20:17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's."
Deu 5:6 "'I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
Deu 5:7 "'You shall have no other gods before me.
Deu 5:8 "'You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Deu 5:9 You shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
Deu 5:10 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Deu 5:11 "'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
Deu 5:12 "'Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you.
Deu 5:13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
Deu 5:14 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant, or your ox or your donkey or any of your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.
Deu 5:15 You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.
Deu 5:16 "'Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may go well with you in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.
Deu 5:17 "'You shall not murder.
Deu 5:18 "'And you shall not commit adultery.
Deu 5:19 "'And you shall not steal.
Deu 5:20 "'And you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Deu 5:21 "'And you shall not covet your neighbor's wife. And you shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field, or his male servant, or his female servant, his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.'

[Marie]

Originally Posted by libertytyranny

I always just assumed because it was written in a time when many worshipped multiple Gods..it was just stating that hey..God is the one true God..not the other ones. Not that the other gods are real..but not to be worshipped..but that they don't really exist. Only God does. That's how I have always seen it.

I agree Mossess was introducing Monotheism. You recall Jacobs wife stole her fathers house gods. They would worship collect other gods and try to worship both, it was common to have a differnt god for a differnt thing like the god of the harvest or the god of rain. Mosses made it very clear in the passage that I posted that the other gods were powerless and not the true god. There was the big stand down where Elijah makes fun of them and taunts them

1Ki 18:27 And at noon Elijah mocked them, saying, "Cry aloud, for he is a god. Either he is musing, or he is relieving himself, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened."

[foodcritic]

Originally Posted by Penn

Amen to that!

Another author, that I loved to read, is J. Vernon McGee. He is deceased(1989), but had published a series of books, one of them being: "Through The Bible" vols. I-V, I believe. Vol. 4 covers the Four Gospels, as well as Acts and Romans.

It IS awesome!

My dealy beloved..... I remember listening to him many years ago on the radio. He gave an example of how a lady with a cane was being told her pain would go away if she had more faith. JVM says "next time someone tells you that take your cane and hit them in the leg. Ask them if it hurts and if they say yes tell them if they had more faith it wouldn't."

LOL

[Marie]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

Exodus 20:2-3
I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me. KJV, link.

So where it says "the LORD thy God" the Hebrews words are "Yahweh Elohim" which means the "Father of the Gods" and so the answer is yes, the commandment is referring to other Gods that are lesser in rank.

This is why Jesus later said; "Our Father, which art in Heaven", because Jesus is a lesser God than the Father.

So does this mean your a lesser James Cusic than James Cusic?

Jesus is God period, but hey dont take my word. See attached