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Old 11-18-2010, 01:25 PM   #51
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I never claimed to adhere to such a thing as freethinking. I reject the possibility that there is no God. My point is, you can't claim to be a freethinker when you reject any course of thought. Everything should on the table. Freethinkers are no less guilty of blindly following their beliefs as those who believe in God. Every argument given to support one side of thought can equally be applied to the other.
Say there is a line of thought that says that the square root of 2 is a rational number.

A freethinker can't dismiss the claim? He must accept it or he is no freethinker? Logical fallacies or not? You are creating a new definition of the word for your own argument here. You are establishing a false dichotomy on a false premise.

Again, nothing in the definition states that a "freethinker" must accept all positions.
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Old 11-18-2010, 01:30 PM   #52
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Wouldn't the opposite of this statement also be true "There is nothing free-thinking about about blindly following a religion, rejecting the notion that god is a figment, as a possibility"?
I would say so.

However, any Christian who believes the bible should be in agreement with Paul who said that he was a slave to Christ. In fact the whole theme of the bible is redemption, which is a term meaning purchased.

I rejoice in being a slave of the Lord Jesus. But I also understand that the gospel of Christ crucified is "a stumbling block to Jews, and folly to Gentiles." If an atheist doesn't find it foolish, it's not the gospel.
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Old 11-18-2010, 02:09 PM   #53
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I would say so.

However, any Christian who believes the bible should be in agreement with Paul who said that he was a slave to Christ. In fact the whole theme of the bible is redemption, which is a term meaning purchased.

I rejoice in being a slave of the Lord Jesus. But I also understand that the gospel of Christ crucified is "a stumbling block to Jews, and folly to Gentiles." If an atheist doesn't find it foolish, it's not the gospel.


And the neat thing is that although Christ is our Lord, Master and Saviour, He sees His followers as His friends and that's how we can relate to Him:

Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. (John 15:15)
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Old 11-18-2010, 04:53 PM   #54
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Say there is a line of thought that says that the square root of 2 is a rational number.

A freethinker can't dismiss the claim? He must accept it or he is no freethinker? Logical fallacies or not? You are creating a new definition of the word for your own argument here. You are establishing a false dichotomy on a false premise.

Again, nothing in the definition states that a "freethinker" must accept all positions.
Really? It's not the least bit possible where that math does not apply in another part of the universe? Or is your paradigm of all things science and math are limited to believing this earth is the end-all to finding our answers?

It's quite obvious that "freethinkers" don't accept all lines of thought; which is really contrary to the actual term "freethinker". It's obvious their purpose is to refute one thing: religion. But you've adopted - what appears to be - an intellectual term as to give the appearance that your thinking is superior to those of religious beliefs. It's a flawed premise that is singular in thought rather than having an all-encompassing acceptable of the possibility of all things.
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Wouldn't the opposite of this statement also be true "There is nothing free-thinking about about blindly following a religion, rejecting the notion that god is a figment, as a possibility"?
I don't know anyone who doesn't understand it's a possibility they're wrong except for atheists. This is where doubt comes into play. This is where faith comes into play (the understanding that you can't prove your belief, but believe it anyway).

Every Christian, Jew, Muslim....I've ever met has had doubts, and listens to people's fears and rejections of their faith. Just because you believe something to be true does not imply that you "blindly follow" or "reject the notion" you could be wrong.
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Say there is a line of thought that says that the square root of 2 is a rational number.

A freethinker can't dismiss the claim? He must accept it or he is no freethinker? Logical fallacies or not? You are creating a new definition of the word for your own argument here. You are establishing a false dichotomy on a false premise.

Again, nothing in the definition states that a "freethinker" must accept all positions.
Wouldn't that be a definition issue, not a freethinking issue?

A freethinking person would say "maybe we just haven't gone out to enough decimal points to be able to put it in a ratio of two integers".
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