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[Mr.Steed]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

There must have been a solid reason why Jesus' selection of the twelve apostles chosen to establish His Church were all men.

The Biblical leadership role in the church and in the household is given to the man to fulfill. While Jesus was the first "Rabbi" to defend the societal status of women and commend them for their faith in the New Testament accounts, there is no indication that the primary leadership of the church would be a position that women would or should have.

This is basic New Testament protocol:



In the case of women's Bible study groups, of course a female would be the one to lead the group of believers, but as for the role of Church Pastor/Minister/Preacher; that is an office that has been ordained for the male to lead.

What bunk, you all use this junk as an excuse to justify your misogyny and arrogance.

[hvp05]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Hard to believe that she had to ask, huh? Just goes to show she doesn't listen to me...

Really.

[UNA]

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Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Uhh, because God said so...

Why?






Why did god say that?

[UNA]

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Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Hard to believe that she had to ask, huh? Just goes to show she doesn't listen to me...

Nah, just wanted you to say it! Guess 'because god says so' is a good enough answer for just about everything then huh? Must be nice never to have to actually defend your positions...

[UNA]

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Originally Posted by Mr.Steed

Don't you mean Allah said so; I bet you are an extremist Muslim in disguise. The Creator does not endorse bigotry.

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[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by Mr.Steed

What bunk, you all use this junk as an excuse to justify your misogyny and arrogance.

The question is in regard to church leadership only, my friend, not societal or marriage status where both husband and wife are to submit equally one to another and where a man is to love his wife as Christ loved the church.

Ephesians, Ch. 5:25:

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26: That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27: That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28: So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29: For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31: For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32: This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33: Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

[Zguy28]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

The question is in regard to church leadership only, my friend, not societal or marriage status where both husband and wife are to submit equally one to another and where a man is to love his wife as Christ loved the church.

Not just church leadership, also family. If the man is the head of the woman, he is the head of the woman.

It doesn't mean inferior in any way as a person, in fact my wife has many qualities in which she is superior to myself (and vice-versa of course). It means the order of things as ordained by God.

And yes, it matters. The Apostle Paul said that he did not allow women to teach in the church, speaking of the gathering of believers. A woman in the pulpit does just that, what Paul said that he forbid.

[UNA]

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So why are women forbidden from preaching? Does the Bible forbid men from doing certain things?

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Mr.Steed

Don't you mean Allah said so; I bet you are an extremist Muslim in disguise. The Creator does not endorse bigotry.

Read the Bible son; you just might regret calling God a bigot...

Originally Posted by UNA

Nah, just wanted you to say it! Guess 'because god says so' is a good enough answer for just about everything then huh? Must be nice never to have to actually defend your positions...

Sure is! Jesus did all the work and all I have to do is believe in Him and relay His words and BANG! Absolute Truth!

Originally Posted by UNA

So why are women forbidden from preaching? Does the Bible forbid men from doing certain things?

As Zguy said, it's not that they're less than men or inferior, it's just the way that God wanted it. There has to be a head and an orderly arrangement for the family to work properly. God wants ONLY men to do certain things and ONLY women to do certain things. Everything else can be done by both...

Paul said that God did it for this reason:

12 "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner". (1 Timothy 2)

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by Zguy28

Not just church leadership, also family. If the man is the head of the woman, he is the head of the woman.

It doesn't mean inferior in any way as a person, in fact my wife has many qualities in which she is superior to myself (and vice-versa of course). It means the order of things as ordained by God.

And yes, it matters. The Apostle Paul said that he did not allow women to teach in the church, speaking of the gathering of believers. A woman in the pulpit does just that, what Paul said that he forbid.

Correcto mundo! Indeed, the husband is to be the responsible leader, not just as provider but most importantly as the "spiritual leader" of the household. Here is where many many men have fallen short in neglect of being the spiritual leader in the family while women have been the ones to rise to take on the responsibilty of keeping their family together and focused on Christ. For that, these faithful women are to be commended.

In regard to the husband being the head of the women, yes, I agree that is the Biblical protocol - but this does not give the husband the position to "lord over the wife" as a subservient partner or as a lesser individual (thus the comment about "misogyny and arrogance" )

Anyhoo - for the scripture back-up regarding the family matters that you pointed out:

Ephesians Ch. 5:

21: Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
22: Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23: For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24: Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Although the husband's role in marriage is as the "head of the wife" the Biblical principle is that they still submit one to another, love one another, and help one another. When these roles are balanced out with love and equal respect it certainly makes for a happier marriage.