TRUTH in the Book of Mormon

[tiger78]

Originally Posted by UNA

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I feel god everyday too. But I don't think that it's provable, like you said, it's faith. I don't tout any of it as fact and hound people for not believing exactly as I do (not that you do, just speaking in generalities here). I don't think my faith should be forced on anyone!

You cannot force faith on anybody. Faith is a personal matter. When Christians "hound" you and others it is out of love and a passion for your soul. Perhaps it is not always delivered in the best way. It is difficult to convey all our thoughts in this forum. At times when I am reading posts from non-believers, I get the impression that some feel that believers are less intelligent because we believe without "proof". When we quote the Bible we are told it is not provable and reliable, to us it is the Word of God and it is Truth. It all comes down to Faith. What are you going to put your Faith in, science or the Creator? I choose the Creator.

[UNA]

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Originally Posted by tiger78

You cannot force faith on anybody. Faith is a personal matter. When Christians "hound" you and others it is out of love and a passion for your soul. Perhaps it is not always delivered in the best way. It is difficult to convey all our thoughts in this forum. At times when I am reading posts from non-believers, I get the impression that some feel that believers are less intelligent because we believe without "proof". When we quote the Bible we are told it is not provable and reliable, to us it is the Word of God and it is Truth. It all comes down to Faith. What are you going to put your Faith in, science or the Creator? I choose the Creator.

Put your faith in whatever you want; I do! I'm not an atheist. I don't put faith in science though; at no point have I claimed science to be the one and only truth nor have I ever claimed the theories of science to be fact to spite all the direct evidence. I don't think any one believe structure is better than another, it's just that some (science) makes more sense. Contradictions are addressed in science and science is not prejudiced. Science doesn't command people to massacre whole towns, science doesn't command people to stone eachother.......

[itsbob]

Originally Posted by tiger78

When Christians "hound" you and others it is out of love and a passion for your soul. Perhaps it is not always delivered in the best way. .

What's sad is the people that do it believe this to be the case, when in actuality it's the largest, legal Ponzi scheme the world has ever seen.

Say 10 people do missionary work, and in turn each one converts 5 people over a 6 month period, ouf of those 5 3 continue to save souls and each of them find 5 people in 6 months.. and so on..

If each of them makes the national average wage, and gives 10% of that to the church.. how much money from just the lines from original ten is the church makin after year 5?

Pretty cool numbers, and it's all tax free.. and all the low levels are doing it for FREE, and in some cases paying the church for the honor!!

It's like Amway on crack!

[Mongo53]

Originally Posted by itsbob

What's sad is the people that do it believe this to be the case, when in actuality it's the largest, legal Ponzi scheme the world has ever seen.

Say 10 people do missionary work, and in turn each one converts 5 people over a 6 month period, ouf of those 5 3 continue to save souls and each of them find 5 people in 6 months.. and so on..

If each of them makes the national average wage, and gives 10% of that to the church.. how much money from just the lines from original ten is the church makin after year 5?

Pretty cool numbers, and it's all tax free.. and all the low levels are doing it for FREE, and in some cases paying the church for the honor!!

It's like Amway on crack!

Except, in a Ponzi scheme, the original investors are paid back with the funds of new investors, you know, like Social Security.

I'm still waiting for my Church to give me a return on the money I've given them, any idea when that will be showing up?

By that same standard, is NOT Capitalism a Ponsi scheme? Well, so would Socialism and Communism. Aw heck, the cub scouts and VFW must be a Ponzi scheme as well.

And now that you mention it, somd.com forums, people invite others, when the post, it creates 3 or 4 more post for every post they make, OMG we are all part of Ponzi scheme.

You could move to a deserted island and live life as a Hermit, and then congratulate yourself on your superiority of avoiding being in any Ponzi scheme.

[itsbob]

Originally Posted by Mongo53

Except, in a Ponzi scheme, the original investors are paid back with the funds of new investors, you know, like Social Security.

I'm still waiting for my Church to give me a return on the money I've given them, any idea when that will be showing up?

By that same standard, is NOT Capitalism a Ponsi scheme? Well, so would Socialism and Communism. Aw heck, the cub scouts and VFW must be a Ponzi scheme as well.

And now that you mention it, somd.com forums, people invite others, when the post, it creates 3 or 4 more post for every post they make, OMG we are all part of Ponzi scheme.

You could move to a deserted island and live life as a Hermit, and then congratulate yourself on your superiority of avoiding being in any Ponzi scheme.

You get "salvation" while the church leaders get filthy rich in this lifetime.. Gold encrusted thrones, Billion dollar cathedrals, Prada shoes, multiple "retreats" in the most expensive resort towns in the world.. security guards, multi BILLION dollar art collections..

But what cost would be too much for salvation??

The best Ponzi scheme ever invented..

[Mongo53]

Originally Posted by itsbob

You get "salvation" while the church leaders get filthy rich in this lifetime.. Gold encrusted thrones, Billion dollar cathedrals, Prada shoes, multiple "retreats" in the most expensive resort towns in the world.. security guards, multi BILLION dollar art collections..

But what cost would be too much for salvation??

The best Ponzi scheme ever invented..

Ok, NOT that some of those things aren't hypocritical, but your exaggerating values several times over. Prada shoes? Security Guards, ummm, the pope was shot and attacked at other times.

You forget the Hospitals, Schools, Charities, feeding the poor and helping the stricken.

Oh, are charities Ponzi Schemes also?

What is the Largest Charity in the World? Granted, that is a disputable answer, there are many ways to figure it, so it does get somewhat subjective, but you can't deny it is one of the top charities.

[itsbob]

Originally Posted by Mongo53

Ok, NOT that some of those things aren't hypocritical, but your exaggerating values several times over. Prada shoes? Security Guards, ummm, the pope was shot and attacked at other times.

You forget the Hospitals, Schools, Charities, feeding the poor and helping the stricken.

Oh, are charities Ponzi Schemes also?

What is the Largest Charity in the World? Granted, that is a disputable answer, there are many ways to figure it, so it does get somewhat subjective, but you can't deny it is one of the top charities.

Be interesting to know what percentage of their revenue goes to charitable works..

Seeing how they ask for 10% of their member's income, do they donate 10% or more of theirs??

And, in the end, the Hospitals make revenue, as do the schools, though if you pay your 10% a year you normally get a discount, I don't know of any church that let's their members go to school for free.

[itsbob]

Originally Posted by Mongo53

Ok, NOT that some of those things aren't hypocritical, but your exaggerating values several times over. Prada shoes? Security Guards, ummm, the pope was shot and attacked at other times.

You forget the Hospitals, Schools, Charities, feeding the poor and helping the stricken.

Oh, are charities Ponzi Schemes also?

What is the Largest Charity in the World? Granted, that is a disputable answer, there are many ways to figure it, so it does get somewhat subjective, but you can't deny it is one of the top charities.

AND I'd suggest researching before giving to any charity.. I think the Gov't CFC does a great job of rating charities.. They give out how much each charity raises compared to how much goes to the people it's intended for.. Some are less than 40%, 60% or more if for salaries, and advertising to raise more money..

[Mongo53]

Originally Posted by itsbob

Be interesting to know what percentage of their revenue goes to charitable works..

Seeing how they ask for 10% of their member's income, do they donate 10% or more of theirs??

And, in the end, the Hospitals make revenue, as do the schools, though if you pay your 10% a year you normally get a discount, I don't know of any church that let's their members go to school for free.

Catholic Charities, which is an organization run by the church and does NOT represent all the Catholic Charitable works, is a 90% turn around.

Catholic Charities by itself would NOT be the worlds largest, the Church Largess would be. Again, that is disputable depending on how you slice it, I don't know the turn-around for the church as a whole.

Look at Religious Hospitals and Schools, very, very, very few are cash cows and are pretty much non-profit, and like other non-profits they have to charge to cover their expenses.