Can It be guessed as to the race of Jesus.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Black olive...

If SDJ was a black olive I'd put him on the end of my finger and wave him around before I gobbled him up.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

If SDJ was a black olive I'd put him on the end of my finger and wave him around before I gobbled him up.

Cause he's the candy man??

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Cause he's the candy man??

Don't be picking on the candy man. The candy man CAN.

[twinoaks207 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by bcp

But with my luck, When I die I will find out that Jesus was a gay Hispanic black man that was illegally in Israel.

:fixed:

Also, remember to keep in mind that all information written down in various formats (Bible, Koran, etc.) is written from a certain perspective which we may or may not be aware of -- and may be either literal truth (as it appeared to the writer), analogy, or illustrative story to convey a point. In addition to this, writing as a form of communication evolved later, and thus early methods of communication were basically a sharing of stories, otherwise known as oral tradition. As anyone who has sat around in a family gathering (or any other gathering of people) knows, stories are never told exactly the same way, using the same words, from person to person or telling to telling. Parts are either added or left out, or changed due to various reasons -- person forgets, person gets confused, etc. These are the problems with using the Bible as literal history.

And, just to throw something else into the mix, and to illustrate that things can be interpreted in more than one way, folks can make an excellent case, using the Bible, that God and Jesus, are/were in fact, intelligent beings from another galaxy. It's all in how you look at it.

Bottom line -- we will never know. What we may be meant to take from all of the writings are key concepts to successfully living together on this planet. Perhaps we should ALL (the entire world), go back and re-read our guiding books and look for some answers. I think there's something we're all missing out on, judging from what's going on in the world today.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by twinoaks207

:fixed:

Also, remember to keep in mind that all information written down in various formats (Bible, Koran, etc.) is written from a certain perspective which we may or may not be aware of -- and may be either literal truth (as it appeared to the writer), analogy, or illustrative story to convey a point.

Muslims rely on extra-Qur'anical teachings which include the Hadith and Sunnah (sayings and exemplary actions of Muhammad). Muslims also are taught to believe in another Jesus - different than the New Testament Jesus.

Herein is the Islamic description of the "Muslim Jesus" (Isa) according to the following Hadith:

( According to Islamic theology, Jesus will return to fight and kill anti-Christ, then dies after forty years.)

"The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace_be_upon_him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him."
(Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 37, Number 4310: Narrated AbuHurayrah)

Also, like Mormon theology, the "Jesus" of the Muslims is a polygamist according to one of the Islamic sects:

Islamic theology teaches that Jesus will be married to 1000 wives.

"Allah, the Highest, revealed to Jesus:
'O Jesus, travel from one place to another
least you should be known and harmed
by My Might and My Glory.
I will let you marry a thousand Houris*
and I will make a feast for four hundred years for you.'

Translated from Aramaic into Arabic by al-Ghazali (505/1111)
Translated from Arabic into English by Shaykh Ahmad Darwish
The Mosque of the Internet

The Most Advanced Curiculum of Prophetic Saying

Sorry - that is NOT a description of The New Testament Jesus nor is the one of the RCC that is accompanied in Heaven with his mother, Mary, where she co-reigns as "Queen of Heaven," "Mediatrix," Co-Redemptrix," "Advocate," and "helps souls get into Heaven"

The RCC, like Mormons and Muslims are taught to believe in another gospel and another Jesus - completely different from the accounts of The New Testament Jesus.

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

Muslims rely on extra-Qur'anical teachings which include the Hadith and Sunnah (sayings and exemplary actions of Muhammad). Muslims also are taught to believe in another Jesus - different than the New Testament Jesus.

Herein is the Islamic description of the "Muslim Jesus" (Isa) according to the following Hadith:



Also, like Mormon theology, the "Jesus" of the Muslims is a polygamist according to one of the Islamic sects:


Sorry - that is NOT a description of The New Testament Jesus nor is the one of the RCC that is accompanied in Heaven with his mother, Mary, where she co-reigns as "Queen of Heaven," "Mediatrix," Co-Redemptrix," "Advocate," and "helps souls get into Heaven"

The RCC, like Mormons and Muslims are taught to believe in another gospel and another Jesus - completely different from the accounts of The New Testament Jesus.

I agree, but in reality I would have to paint Jesus as a middle eastern European mix. I would certainly not paint him in my white image.
The Muslims are taught to believe in a different Savoir, but at the same time they also start with Adam and Eve, and have the Cain and Able, and Seth in their writings, Now, where it starts to change interestingly enough is with the Son of Seth that carried on the line to Jesus, the name was different. close, but different.
Right now to clarify where the Son of Seth ended up, and a guess of who his wife might have been, I am also trying to look through the Torah to see if he is mentioned in greater detail there.
The Christian Bible really does not start tracking locations until Mattatha if you look at the Genealogy in Luke, or Abraham if you look at it in Matthew. Because, after Nathan, for some reason the two differ. I don't know why yet.

At any rate, This is going to take me time to even get a close guess, but at the same time I am rather enjoying the research. I do wish however that I or I knew someone that could take the old original writings and make sense of them, else, I am only counting on someones word that the translations are correct and true.

still fun.

[bcp (Premo)]

And something I found extremly interesting.
In my search, I looked into "The Book Of Shadows" which is the text from the Original Pagan Bible.
I found this in the first couple paragraphs/verses.

Then came beasts and greater beasts and some lived and some died and some appeared from other beasts in differing form over a great time. One of these beasts was the beginning of men and the man was called himself Adam Edam. And when Adam Edam stood upright, walked upon the earth and gained reason, so was the beginning of humanity for he had within him good things, unlike other beasts who knew of nothing and had not feeling of mind as did he.

Adam Edam, Garden of Eden? close??

But what I really found perplexing is that once again, in the fourth reference, One Muslim, one Jewish one Christian and one Pagan, Adam was the first named human on earth.

P.S.
Until this morning, I have never read any of the Book of Shadows, so I was almost surprised to discover this.

[punjabigyrl]

Originally Posted by bcp

Since The question seems important to some, and it is a point of interest for some reason, I decided to see if we could come up with a reasonable guess to what Jesus might have looked like.
To do this we have to follow his family tree back through the Bible.

Now, we know that there were something like 80 marriages before he was born, and we do know that he was descendant of David, and that would put him a direct descendant of Adam (remember him?)

So, (and I hope that some others with interest can join in on this and help the tracing of the family, and if possible where those members migrated to in their lives.) Itallion Scallion? you up for some fun?

At any rate, lets start with Adam and Eve. We know that they were in the Garden of Eden, so we look to Genesis 2:8~14
King James Version
Genesis 2:8-14

King James Version (KJV)


So, geographically speaking, based on the names of the rivers, we have a general location that would actually be somewhere just in the outskirts of what today would be Kuwait. The head of the Euphrates is actually in Al Qurnah, This is based on the four rivers. Only one has the same name The Euphrates, which comes to head with what is now called the Tigress, so its possible that the Tigress could have been Hiddekel in that time. The other two, are missing, but they could have been filled in during the great flood. None of this has ever been provable as far as I know.

But lets go on that. And we can then assume that Adam and Eve were actually (geographically speaking because nothing was named at that time) in what is now Southern Iraq.

So, They would have been for a lack of a better way to explain it, Iraqi.

Now we have a most likely flawed, but maybe correct guess as to what Adam and Eve would have looked like assuming that people from a certain region looked then as they do now. (hey, its all we have to go on.)

In the picture (dont look at the white guy) notice that the residents of Al Qurnah do have darker skin that whites, but lighter skin than the blacks. So, if Adam looked like these men today, we can assume that Eve would have been the same complexion since she was made from his yanked rib, and since God made man in his own image (assuming that it meant looks) we can guess that God himself might have looked Middle Eastern. (this is not looking good for us racists I must say)

Next up. Seth. The son of Adam and Eve that was the next step in the long line of relatives to Jesus Christ himself.

With the limited research that I did I got the site below. His travels and not mentioned in detail though. That would require to go to the middle eastern countries and getting access to sacred texts. I am waiting for a reply from a friend of mine who is a Rabbi in isreal. It may be awile since he is in England for an interfaith dialogue.

There are other sources that say his tomb is in the Baqa'a valley in lebanon.
Here is a link to a sites of the prophets and anyone else that is important(need to varify the site)

http://www.apnasikeryali.page.tl/TOMBS-OF-PROPHETS.htm

[punjabigyrl]

Here is a site my friend who follows Kabbalah sent

BioScience Encyclopedia :: Seth