Heaven is not our home?

[Radiant1]

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[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

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Yo Radiant1. Is that the latest group picture of you, Bird Dog and onel and are those giant Hershey's Kisses on the heads ???

(just kidding - Have a good weekend!)

[UNA]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

The "Peace" that the world is trying to establish among governments, societies and man's religions is not a true and lasting peace because man's attempt to establish "peace" never lasts, as seen throughout the history of this world. The Bible indicates that there will be a period in the end of days when mankind will clamor for "peace and security" but it will not result in the type of peace that they are thinking will happen. For example:



Many politicians and world leaders will contain those "buzz-words" in their speech about "peace and security" or "peace and safety". Just listen from time to time and when you hear Obama or any other political leader say they will establish peace and safety in this world you will be reminded about the warning that Jesus gives to mankind. There is a push for a One World Government/One World Religion System that will be an organized effort of man to try to bring peace to this world. Jesus' words are the caution that believers are to be aware of by knowing how things will end up - as prophesied.

On the other hand, a person is able to have spiritual peace and fellowship with God within their life in the here and now through placing faith in Jesus and receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit of God that brings that peace into ones life. That is the True Peace that only comes from God - not man.

So why bother? Rather than retyping it all, I'll just copy part of what I said to Psy on another thread:

Originally Posted by UNA

By your logic there is no point, no reason to live a good life other than to have a better one after death. Why do anything?! Sell all your possessions, quit your job, stop voting, stop learning, stop discovering, stop talking, stop donating time or money to charities that make the world a better place in the here and now. Go be a hermit in a cave because according to you there is no point to this life except to get to the next one.

I sure hope for your sake that your hopes and dreams are forever because if they're not you sure as hell wasted this life.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by UNA

So why bother? Rather than retyping it all, I'll just copy part of what I said to Psy on another thread:

On the flipside, I'll post a comment that b23hqb wrote and which I agree with:

Originally Posted by b23hqb

Our job is to preach the Gospel, live the best we can as good citizens, do what we can to be good stewards of the earth and our responsibilities as employers, employees, co-workers, moms, dads, siblings, etc.

The reality is that peace requires 100% commitment and cooperation by everyone involved. Since most humans cannot even be at peace within their own homes and among their own family, how can peace be possible in the world?

As far as the political peace process involving religions and governments working together to make it happen, Jesus has already warned that such an effort will be deceptive and will lead the world into a major turmoil.

Here is a recent article that brings the prophesied scenario into this present time in the world:

(article excerpts)

By peace they will deceive the world

On May 21st (2011) the president of Turkey Abdullah Gul (name means slave of Allah the beast) was reported by Reuters to have urged Hamas to recognize Israel’s right to exist. As Turkey’s influence grows they will be in position to finalize and arrange a peace treaty between the Palestinians and Israel with Hamas recognizing Israel. However in order to understand the reality this will not bring peace but will be the famous Islamic “Hudna” which according to the Bible is the “covenant of death” mentioned in Isaiah 28 that will cause the war in order to attempt to destroy Israel in the end.

The objective of the Muslim world will be to use peace in order to deceive Israel and the West. We have always seen in the past our desire for peace especially from the Jewish people. This treaty will be based on a full recognition of Israel and fool them into signing and agreeing to this false peace, which at best will last less than four years. The world will celebrate peace in our time once again, but in the end will bring about the greatest war this world will ever witness.

By Peace They Will Deceive The World | Walid Shoebat

[UNA]

Wirelessly posted

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

On the flipside, I'll post a comment that b23hqb wrote and which I agree with:

The reality is that peace requires 100% commitment and cooperation by everyone involved. Since most humans cannot even be at peace within their own homes and among their own family, how can peace be possible in the world?

As far as the political peace process involving religions and governments working together to make it happen, Jesus has already warned that such an effort will be deceptive and will lead the world into a major turmoil.

Here is a recent article that brings the prophesied scenario into this present time in the world:

(article excerpts)

I never said it was conceivable but how can one not try? I'm not going to achieve world peace, but I can achieve personal peace and contribute to the peace of others. If no amount of peace can be achieved then why bother? Since it takes the small bits to get close to large bits and so on.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by UNA

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I never said it was conceivable but how can one not try? I'm not going to achieve world peace, but I can achieve personal peace and contribute to the peace of others. If no amount of peace can be achieved then why bother? Since it takes the small bits to get close to large bits and so on.

The point still remains that world peace is not possible without 100% commitment and cooperation by everyone. Sure, your personal efforts and contributions to exemplifying a 100% peaceful person are commendable and no doubt touch the lives of others. It's the other percentage of people who don't have personal peace in their lives so they go about causing havoc for others. Thus, there is no 100% commitment and cooperation that makes the world or your own community a truly peaceful one.

The only time we will really ever have peace on earth is when The Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ, returns to set things right. Until then, the world can strive for peace, and those of us who want peace should walk in peace but as we can see by daily news reports - it ain't happenin' anytime soon.

If a person does not have personal peace within their life there is no way that they can contribute a peaceful effort to this world. God can and does instill that peace within the heart of people who seek Him. However, the fact remains that there will always be others without peace in their lives who continue with their bent toward hatred, prejudice, violence and revel in the things that cause chaos, thus disrupting all efforts to achieve any kind of peace at all.

BTW: Getting late, my parental control time limit is up and need to sign off for the evening. lol
Have a good weekend UNA & McGinn.

[hvp05]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

Sure, your personal efforts and contributions to exemplifying a 100% peaceful person are commendable and no doubt touch the lives of others.



If a person does not have personal peace within their life there is no way that they can contribute a peaceful effort to this world. God can and does instill that peace within the heart of people who seek Him.

Is it only me or do these two sections conflict?

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by UNA

So why bother? Rather than retyping it all, I'll just copy part of what I said to Psy on another thread:

By your logic there is no point, no reason to live a good life other than to have a better one after death. Why do anything?! Sell all your possessions, quit your job, stop voting, stop learning, stop discovering, stop talking, stop donating time or money to charities that make the world a better place in the here and now. Go be a hermit in a cave because according to you there is no point to this life except to get to the next one.

I sure hope for your sake that your hopes and dreams are forever because if they're not you sure as hell wasted this life.

You are quite right that many people under the ignorance of religious doctrine will waste their lives and do nothing to improve this world and then brag about some mystical paradise for them self after they die.

The Bible does NOT teach that garbage, and Jesus does NOT teach that nonsense, but Christianity shoves that bunk down the people's throats.

And far too many misguided Christians are like the "Starman" who openly condemns any person who does try to make the world into a better place.

So I say CHEERS to your correct observation given above.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by hvp05

Is it only me or do these two sections conflict?

It's you! lol

The first section applies personally to UNA's human character and personal efforts and contributions of being a 100% peaceful person. Una should be commended for exemplifying the peace-loving individual that she is. If she is really at peace with all things in her life - that's great!

The next section addresses others at large who are not like UNA and have no true peace within their life. These are people who are always grumbling a lot over things, complaining, verbally abusive and argumentative, hateful toward others, bitter at the world, and the type of individual who blames everyone else (but themselves) for the problems they are having. That type of person is an unlikely candidate for being one who would be involved in contributing toward any peaceful effort to this world simply from the fact that they are obviously not at peace within their own life.

The last sentence points to the Supreme Creator of mankind who can change the spiritual life of a person who is unsettled, unhappy and not at peace in their life. Only God can give you that type of Peace within your life - if you want it.

[hvp05]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

It's you! lol

The way I read it, the first part was to UNA (obviously), but the second was about people who do not have god in their lives and therefore cannot be peaceful, which would include UNA because she does not follow your perception of god.

If someone does not have peace or is not peaceful yet considers themselves a Christian, does that mean they're following one of them false Christs?