Heaven is not our home?

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by hvp05

The way I read it, the first part was to UNA (obviously), but the second was about people who do not have god in their lives and therefore cannot be peaceful, which would include UNA because she does not follow your perception of god.

Notice that I am taking UNA's word for it - that she is a peaceful individual and wants to see "peace" happen in this world. I really don't know her personally but if she says she is at peace with all things then I guess that means she is at peace within her own being and with all things around her.

BTW: Peace is a human emotion that many people strive for even though they may not believe in God. Nothing wrong with that - but as I mentioned before the type of peace that even the non-believing people would like to see achieved would require 100% commitment and 100% cooperation from everyone in the world. - Ain't happenin'... just human nature that there will always be those who are not peaceful with others for various reasons.

Originally Posted by hvp05

If someone does not have peace or is not peaceful yet considers themselves a Christian, does that mean they're following one of them false Christs?

That could be a very possibility because it is The Holy Spirit of God that brings the type of True Peace that only The New Testament Jesus can give to the inner soul of a believer. If they are not led by the Holy Spirit of God that Jesus said would be sent to His followers then those people continue operating within the carnal (human) emotions and reactions. They are unable to have the inner spiritual guidance to react with a spirit of love, compassion and forgiveness toward someone who may have offended them or done them wrong.

The truth is that there are many people in various denominations who claim to be a follower of Christ yet they harbor ill feellings of anger, have anomosity and even show prejudice toward others. In the Bible, Jesus said that if one does not love his brother who he has seen how can that person claim to love God whom he has not seen?

Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister. (1 John 4:20-21)

The True Peace that God gives a believer is through the indwelling Holy Spirit of God and that comes about through having a "born-again" experience that Jesus said one must have. There are many people who claim to be Christian but have not been born again as Jesus said one must be.

I once saw a church sign that read "Know Jesus - Know Peace; No Jesus, No Peace"

If a person is really being led by the Holy Spirit of God in their lives then they will have the type of True Peace that only the True New Testament Jesus can give.

Jesus said: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. (John 14:26-27)

[UNA]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

The point still remains that world peace is not possible without 100% commitment and cooperation by everyone. Sure, your personal efforts and contributions to exemplifying a 100% peaceful person are commendable and no doubt touch the lives of others. It's the other percentage of people who don't have personal peace in their lives so they go about causing havoc for others. Thus, there is no 100% commitment and cooperation that makes the world or your own community a truly peaceful one.

The only time we will really ever have peace on earth is when The Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ, returns to set things right. Until then, the world can strive for peace, and those of us who want peace should walk in peace but as we can see by daily news reports - it ain't happenin' anytime soon.

If a person does not have personal peace within their life there is no way that they can contribute a peaceful effort to this world. God can and does instill that peace within the heart of people who seek Him. However, the fact remains that there will always be others without peace in their lives who continue with their bent toward hatred, prejudice, violence and revel in the things that cause chaos, thus disrupting all efforts to achieve any kind of peace at all.

BTW: Getting late, my parental control time limit is up and need to sign off for the evening. lol
Have a good weekend UNA & McGinn.

I agree, at the very LEAST a vast majority of people need to be on board and the odds of that are extraordinarily slim, probably impossible.

Really, the likelihood depends on one's definition of peace. Is it A) everyone holding hands, singing, everyone is rich... or B) no one is killing/needlessly harming anyone. B is the more likely (though still needs near 100% cooperation).

I've always figured that if there exists a problem and one does nothing to fix it, one has no right to complain about it! I.e. I don't really like either candidate for president, but I'm going to go vote, even if I'm just writing myself in.

[UNA]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

You are quite right that many people under the ignorance of religious doctrine will waste their lives and do nothing to improve this world and then brag about some mystical paradise for them self after they die.

The Bible does NOT teach that garbage, and Jesus does NOT teach that nonsense, but Christianity shoves that bunk down the people's throats.

And far too many misguided Christians are like the "Starman" who openly condemns any person who does try to make the world into a better place.

So I say CHEERS to your correct observation given above.

Thank you!

But I don't think he was condemning anything, just questioning the worth.

[UNA]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

It's you! lol

The first section applies personally to UNA's human character and personal efforts and contributions of being a 100% peaceful person. Una should be commended for exemplifying the peace-loving individual that she is. If she is really at peace with all things in her life - that's great!

I'm starting to sound like an idealized peace-loving hippie here!

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by UNA

Thank you!

But I don't think he was condemning anything, just questioning the worth.

If not "condemn" then let us praise a few who have done the rightful work of making improvements.

As like Mother Theresa who dedicated her life in service to both God and to humanity as best as she knew how.

And the Mahatma Gandhi who helped in a big way and in a Godly way to end the unjust colonialism.

And Martin Luther King who as a Christian leader led the way in the Civil Rights of our USA.

And President Lincoln who by the grace of God ended the inhuman slavery in our USA.

As these are just a few of the notable people who did big things to help improve our world - and thank God that they did.

[UNA]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

As like Mother Theresa who dedicated her life in service to both God and to humanity as best as she knew how.

And the Mahatma Gandhi who helped in a big way and in a Godly way to end the unjust colonialism.

...seriously?

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by UNA

...seriously?

I say that question lacks substance in the extreme.

But yes of course I am being serious, and I do not post anything which I do not mean sincerely.

Both Mother Theresa and the Mahatma Gandhi did indeed make this world into a better place, and their legacy is continuing onward today being long after each of them died.

If only this world could get more of the likes of them!

[UNA]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

I say that question lacks substance in the extreme.

But yes of course I am being serious, and I do not post anything which I do not mean sincerely.

Both Mother Theresa and the Mahatma Gandhi did indeed make this world into a better place, and their legacy is continuing onward today being long after each of them died.

If only this world could get more of the likes of them!

STOP The Missionaries of Charity

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Gandhi can be quoted as saying:

(Kaffirs are) only a degree removed from the animal.

Where "Kaffirs" is a derogatory term for Africans akin to the N-word here.

and

Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized...they are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals.

Not saying they were bad people, but it can be debated as to whether or not they were nearly as close to perfection as many like to believe.

Don't believe everything you hear, everyone has their dirty little secrets and the bigger you are, the bigger the secrets are. ALWAYS do your research before you start putting someone on a pedestal like that.

[VoteJP]

Just for the record - I am severely disappointed in you for making such claims.

If you are going to talk evil about the dead, and especially about well established great persons of history, then that is assured to backfire onto your self.

Originally Posted by UNA

STOP The Missionaries of Charity

Hemley Gonzalez: The Truth About Mother Teresa

Mother Teresa Letter Defending Pedophile 'Authentic' and 'Disturbing,' Says Former Nun

Surely Mother Teresa did not ever defend pedophilia, and even the link you give says it has the Mother's heading but the rest of the "letter" is typed and it has no signature, so you or anyone to slam a person of Mother Teresa's stature based on that - then the shame belongs on your self.

And surely you scraped the bottom to post a Facebook page directed against the Missionaries - as in they want to stop the charities. What are they - Republicans.

And you are not telling what you yourself believe, unless you created that Facebook page, because I told you what I know to be true which is that Mother Teresa was a servant for God and to humanity and she tried to make this world into a better place.

I suggest that you do some better research on that great Lady, but you certainly have not successfully degraded her in my view.

Originally Posted by UNA

Gandhi can be quoted as saying:

Where "Kaffirs" is a derogatory term for Africans akin to the N-word here.

and

Not saying they were bad people, but it can be debated as to whether or not they were nearly as close to perfection as many like to believe.

Don't believe everything you hear, everyone has their dirty little secrets and the bigger you are, the bigger the secrets are. ALWAYS do your research before you start putting someone on a pedestal like that.

I have done a huge amount of research on the Mahatma Gandhi as I have read every book he ever wrote, and study a whole lot more about him too, and he never ever referred to the African people in that derogatory way, but even more so is that I say that considering his huge great accomplishments then I would not object to him making some slip up if it were true, but it is not true.

Some people will quote Gandhi wrongfully which is what you have done here, so the wrong is your own and NOT his.

And again I am really disappointed in you, as I expected so much better.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by UNA

I'm starting to sound like an idealized peace-loving hippie here!

for your hair.