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[Dev]

Originally Posted by hotcoffee

The fact that something was created from nothing is really not what you want to know.... because God is not nothing....

Here's the way it worked.... there was God.... and [to put it in geek speak] there was a black hole]..... The God said let there be light.... in other words God [who is the only entity who could design all the minute details of everything created IMHO] was there first and then He started to create....

Think of the blank canvas and an purely talented artist....

Most people forget that in the beginning there was God....

When you open a dark closet you turn on a light.... God had to make the light.... so it's not all that inconceivable... right?

Prove it.

[hotcoffee]

Originally Posted by Dev

Prove it.

According to the book I'm reading now titled Are We Living in End Times written by Tim LeHaye and Jerry B Jenkins.... God will proove it soon enough.

There were plenty of historians from Ancient writers about history, including Tacitus, Thucydides, Herodotus, Plutarch, Livy, and Julius and Augustus Caesar who wrote about the same events written in the Bible. Their historical writings are congruent with the ancient scrolls.

People don't look them up much any more.... they just say proove it....

I heard Alistair Begg on WAVA yesterday morning as a matter of fact. He was talking about those who want to debate the truth of the Bible. If Mark and Luke were just writing fiction [he said].... wouldn't they have written themselves in a better light? The disciples are described as hiding after Jesus was arrested.... wouldn't you think if they were writing fiction they would have painted their own character as a braver soul? Think about it....

I truly hope that you aren't around when God does proove it.... It's not going to be fun!

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Dev

Prove it.

Prove that He didn't...

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Dev

Abiogenesis is the leading theory at the moment. Notice I said theory and not scientific theory. There is compelling evidence, but it is far from being a solid scientific theory.



I can however, reject the notion of god based on the basis that no empirical evidence exists to support the claim that god(s) exist. This is the basis of agnostic atheism.

First of Abiogenesis also relies on an molecule that is not a living molecule, so we are back to the original argument. Where did that non living molecule come from. Your faith, thats where. Either your Faith in science, or your faith in there being no possiblility of God. But either way, you have faith, so I find it hard to understand why you choose to mock people that have an equal level of faith in something equally unprovable, and equally impossible as the things you suggest because of your faith.

And there is no evidence supporting a claim that something can come from nothing based on science. If anything, science is based on what could be if something combined with something else, so basically, we need more than one something, that does not exist.

[Dev]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Prove that He didn't...

No evidence given means no reason to accept the idea as valid in the first place. That which can be asserted without evidence can be equally dismissed without evidence.

I'm trying to stay civil in all this, I really am. Willful displays of ignorance like this make it hard.

Burden of proof - RationalWiki
Burden of proof, appeal to ignorance. Look it up.

Here's an example for you: Russell's Teapot - RationalWiki
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First of Abiogenesis also relies on an molecule that is not a living molecule, so we are back to the original argument. Where did that non living molecule come from. Your faith, thats where.

Like I said before, faith is belief without evidence. Did I say abiogenesis was true, or scientific fact, or even that I believe it? No. It is a hypothesis, a proposed explanation. If it was the answer, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I don't have an answer for the origins of the universe. That doesn't mean that one doesn't exist and it doesn't mean god exists.

Either your Faith in science, or your faith in there being no possiblility of God. But either way, you have faith, so I find it hard to understand why you choose to mock people that have an equal level of faith in something equally unprovable, and equally impossible as the things you suggest because of your faith.

I did not say there is no possibility of god. There is a possibility that anything you could imagine exists at some point in the universe.

No empirical (testifiable, falsafiable) evidence means the god argument fails at its assertion. No valid idea means no reason to believe it is worth considering at all.

[hotcoffee]

Originally Posted by Dev

Prove it.

I'll say it again....

According to the book I'm reading now titled Are We Living in End Times written by Tim LeHaye and Jerry B Jenkins.... God will proove it soon enough.

There were plenty of historians from Ancient writers about history, including Tacitus, Thucydides, Herodotus, Plutarch, Livy, and Julius and Augustus Caesar who wrote about the same events written in the Bible. Their historical writings are congruent with the ancient scrolls.

People don't look them up much any more.... they just say proove it....

I heard Alistair Begg on WAVA yesterday morning as a matter of fact. He was talking about those who want to debate the truth of the Bible. If Mark and Luke were just writing fiction [he said].... wouldn't they have written themselves in a better light? The disciples are described as hiding after Jesus was arrested.... wouldn't you think if they were writing fiction they would have painted their own character as a braver soul? Think about it....

I truly hope that you aren't around when God does proove it.... It's not going to be fun!

Without faith what do you have?

[Dev]

Originally Posted by hotcoffee

According to the book I'm reading now titled Are We Living in End Times written by Tim LeHaye and Jerry B Jenkins.... God will proove it soon enough.

There were plenty of historians from Ancient writers about history, including Tacitus, Thucydides, Herodotus, Plutarch, Livy, and Julius and Augustus Caesar who wrote about the same events written in the Bible. Their historical writings are congruent with the ancient scrolls.

People don't look them up much any more.... they just say proove it....

I heard Alistair Begg on WAVA yesterday morning as a matter of fact. He was talking about those who want to debate the truth of the Bible. If Mark and Luke were just writing fiction [he said].... wouldn't they have written themselves in a better light? The disciples are described as hiding after Jesus was arrested.... wouldn't you think if they were writing fiction they would have painted their own character as a braver soul? Think about it....

I truly hope that you aren't around when God does proove it.... It's not going to be fun!

For 2000 years, people have been saying we are living in the end times, and for 2000 years, people have died disappointed. blah blah blah about no one knows the day or hour of christs return.

I am well aware of the historians who wrote about Jesus. Their accounts may be valid. The general consensus is that a person named Jesus probably existed. Anything beyond that is speculation. As the saying goes: "History is written by the survivors." Historical accounts and reliability should be taken with a grain or two of salt, especially when its going back ~2000 years.

Did Jesus exist?
Long read, but the general idea is that Jesus was probably a mixture of several real people and lots of myth rolled into the Jesus you believe as the son of god.


Still proof of nothing.

[hotcoffee]

Originally Posted by Dev

For 2000 years, people have been saying we are living in the end times, and for 2000 years, people have died disappointed. blah blah blah about no one knows the day or hour of christs return.

I am well aware of the historians who wrote about Jesus. Their accounts may be valid. The general consensus is that a person named Jesus probably existed. Anything beyond that is speculation. As the saying goes: "History is written by the survivors." Historical accounts and reliability should be taken with a grain or two of salt, especially when its going back ~2000 years.

Did Jesus exist?
Long read, but the general idea is that Jesus was probably a mixture of several real people and lots of myth rolled into the Jesus you believe as the son of god.


Still proof of nothing.

I get your point.... so let me put it another way.... since you opened that door.

I believe that man landed a craft on the moon, got out and walked around.

I believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior of mankind.

ALSO.... while we don't know the day and the hour... we can know the season....

I look at what is going on around me now and I say the season is really near. I know people have been saying the end in near for decades....

Let's look at the facts tho....

• Israel returned to their homeland in 1948
• It was accepted as a nation in 1967
• There are less people in Israel than in some of our states and yet they are in the news constantly
• An alliance has formed, the Arab world and Russia [the land of Gog and Magog] against Israel
• The World Bank is set up
• The United Nations [a world government] is set up
• There are more earthquakes than ever before [the plates seem to be ready to shift]
• There are more meteor showers than ever [fire from heaven]

The question I am researching is "Is this the season?" Seems like that old fig tree [used in the Bible to symbolize Israel] is ready to flower....

How long have the world governments [the few allies of Israel] been asking Israel to consider a peace agreement?

I really believe that God is about to show you that He created this universe and everything in it... and He can reshape it any time He wants.... I really believe that the time is near and Jesus is the only Savior....

[jetmonkey]

Originally Posted by hotcoffee

I'll say it again....

According to the book I'm reading now titled Are We Living in End Times written by Tim LeHaye and Jerry B Jenkins.... God will proove it soon enough.

There were plenty of historians from Ancient writers about history, including Tacitus, Thucydides, Herodotus, Plutarch, Livy, and Julius and Augustus Caesar who wrote about the same events written in the Bible. Their historical writings are congruent with the ancient scrolls.

People don't look them up much any more.... they just say proove it....

I heard Alistair Begg on WAVA yesterday morning as a matter of fact. He was talking about those who want to debate the truth of the Bible. If Mark and Luke were just writing fiction [he said].... wouldn't they have written themselves in a better light? The disciples are described as hiding after Jesus was arrested.... wouldn't you think if they were writing fiction they would have painted their own character as a braver soul? Think about it....

I truly hope that you aren't around when God does proove it.... It's not going to be fun!

Without faith what do you have?

I'll say it again....

This is how Bronco Bama wins elections. THANKS FUNDY NUT JOBS

[hotcoffee]

Originally Posted by jetmonkey

I'll say it again....

This is how Bronco Bama wins elections. THANKS FUNDY NUT JOBS

What is that supposed to mean????

With all due respect.... I have no idea what that has to do with what I said.... please clarify....