Hamas

[hotcoffee]

So who is Hamas?

Did I hear that Obama says he wants this conflict over with quickly?

I'm bringing this up in the Religion forum because it goes hand in hand with my end times discussion and I don't see anything in current events....



Just a side note.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by hotcoffee

So who is Hamas?

Did I hear that Obama says he wants this conflict over with quickly?

I'm bringing this up in the Religion forum because it goes hand in hand with my end times discussion and I don't see anything in current events....



Just a side note.

Well...since you asked!

HAMAS is one of the Fundamental Islamic groups that seek to establish Islamic control entirely over the Middle East as well as the world. They are among the Islamic factions that seek the destruction of Israel, extermination of the Jewish people and Jewish culture.

Through the "democratic process" HAMAS came into political power to control the Palestinian region that was formerly governed by Yassar Arafat's PLO group. Since you asked, here are a few ideological concepts that the HAMAS Charter proclaims:

(excertps from HAMAS Charter of 1988)

The Slogan of the Islamic Resistance Movement:

Article Eight:
Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

Peaceful Solutions, Initiatives and International Conferences:

Article Thirteen:

Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."

Now and then the call goes out for the convening of an international conference to look for ways of solving the (Palestinian) question. Some accept, others reject the idea, for this or other reason, with one stipulation or more for consent to convening the conference and participating in it. Knowing the parties constituting the conference, their past and present attitudes towards Moslem problems, the Islamic Resistance Movement does not consider these conferences capable of realising the demands, restoring the rights or doing justice to the oppressed. These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Moslems as arbitraters. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?

"But the Jews will not be pleased with thee, neither the Christians, until thou follow their religion; say, The direction of Allah is the true direction. And verily if thou follow their desires, after the knowledge which hath been given thee, thou shalt find no patron or protector against Allah." (The Cow - verse 120).

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with. As in said in the honourable Hadith:

"The people of Syria are Allah's lash in His land. He wreaks His vengeance through them against whomsoever He wishes among His slaves It is unthinkable that those who are double-faced among them should prosper over the faithful. They will certainly die out of grief and desperation."


Learn more about HAMAS: Links to the HAMAS Charter:

Palestine Center - The Charter of the Hamas

The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

The Avalon Project : Documents in Law, History and Diplomacy

[hotcoffee]

As I understand it.... the Hamas has control of the Gaza Strip.... and the current shelling is a war [of sorts] between Israel and Hamas over the Gaza Strip.....

Where is the Temple Mount [where the current muslim temple is located]? How likely is it that the Muslim Temple might be demolished in this war [of sorts]?

If I heard correctly, Pres. Obama stated that he feels that no one should be supplying weapons to the Hamas. Did he say what the consequences might be for supplying those arms? Wouldn't it be likely that Russia would supply the arms?

Just bringing this up here instead of the Current Events section because it seems to go along with the end times discussions we've been in lately....

[struggler44]

HAMAS is a proxy serving IRAN; this may not be correct but the whole mid east needs to be turned to glass to keep the rest of the world safe. I am sorry for all the innocent peoples of the region who are/will be victims of extremist.

[Zguy28]

Originally Posted by struggler44

HAMAS is a proxy serving IRAN; this may not be correct but the whole mid east needs to be turned to glass to keep the rest of the world safe. I am sorry for all the innocent peoples of the region who are/will be victims of extremist.

I thought Hizbolla was the one's supplied by the Iranians? Maybe its both.

And Hot Coffee, the temple mount is where the Dome of the Rock currently is. It is one of Islam's most sacred mosques because they believe that is where Muhammed ascended to heaven.

If Israel ever destroys that, look for a nuclear exchange to follow.

[hotcoffee]

Originally Posted by Zguy28

I thought Hizbolla was the one's supplied by the Iranians? Maybe its both.

And Hot Coffee, the temple mount is where the Dome of the Rock currently is. It is one of Islam's most sacred mosques because they believe that is where Muhammed ascended to heaven.

If Israel ever destroys that, look for a nuclear exchange to follow.

An the Temple Mount is where Christians believe the new temple has to be built so that it can be destroyed in the Tribulation.

So is the Dome of the Rock located in Israel? Is it possible it could be hit by friendly fire?

I get confused about these things now.... This is the kind of stuff that got me to read the Bible through cover to cover again. So I want to connect the present day dots when they seem to make a pattern....

[Zguy28]

Originally Posted by hotcoffee

An the Temple Mount is where Christians believe the new temple has to be built so that it can be destroyed in the Tribulation.

Many Christians don't believe there even needs to be a third temple. Let alone one built to enable God to do anything.

By requiring signs and things to happen, you require God to wait on humans before He can act. We know that is not how the bible portrays God. He can come in glory at any time, hence the need for watchfulness.

So is the Dome of the Rock located in Israel? Is it possible it could be hit by friendly fire?

It is in Jerusalem and I doubt it.

I get confused about these things now.... This is the kind of stuff that got me to read the Bible through cover to cover again. So I want to connect the present day dots when they seem to make a pattern....

Don't be too concerned with patterns and signs. When Jesus comes, all will see it.

Until then, be about the business Christ calls you to do, and keep watch so you aren't spiritually asleep when He comes, which could be at any hour.

[hotcoffee]

Originally Posted by Zguy28

Many Christians don't believe there even needs to be a third temple. Let alone one built to enable God to do anything.

By requiring signs and things to happen, you require God to wait on humans before He can act. We know that is not how the bible portrays God. He can come in glory at any time, hence the need for watchfulness.

It is in Jerusalem and I doubt it.

Don't be too concerned with patterns and signs. When Jesus comes, all will see it.

Until then, be about the business Christ calls you to do, and keep watch so you aren't spiritually asleep when He comes, which could be at any hour.

I got it wrong .... The temple has to be destroyed so the new temple can be built so the Anti-Christ can desecrate it after the first half of the tribulation period....

I'm not requiring God to give me signs... please don't get me wrong...

God does things to show He is God. I believe if the Bible says it will happen then it will happen.... but I know there are a lot of "Christians" who don't believe that.... so sad for them... because I know it was a real hoot watching it happen over and over and over again in the Bible.... See my Lord and my Heavenly Father are my supernatural heroes.... I'm enjoying watching for signs. I'm not worried at all.... I'm sad for the loss of life.... but I'm sure it's all part of a plan bigger than I know.

I believe we are told to watch for Him to come at any time... because a truck can come flying at you and cut your life short at any second.... I also believe we will meet Him in the air for the rapture.... I don't think all will see Him come back until after the 7 years of the tribulation period... and then everyone will see the "Glorious Reappearing".

I'm pretty sure I'm supposed to be watching what happens in Israel and asking questions.... right here in this forum...

[Starman3000m]

According to some thoughts on Biblical Prophecy, the Third Temple does in-fact need to be rebuilt for the end-time generation of Israelites to restore Temple worship. Many present-day Orthodox leaders in Israel await the time when such construction will take place. They have prepared the priestly garments and Temple artifacts and have a symbolic "cornerstone" in preparation.

Here's the deal:

1.) As long as there is military conflict as we see happening right now, there is no way that the Third Temple could even be possible.

2.) There first has to be a calming down of events and a "peace-pact" agreed upon between the Muslims and Jews under the guise of ecumenical harmony that would allow both Jews and Muslims to worship at the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

3.) According to Israeli engineers, the Mosque of Omar does not need to be destroyed as many have thought. This is because the site of the ancient Holy of Holies is located in an area not occupied by the Mosque. It is on the grounds nearby. Thus, if and when such a "peace-pact" is signed that permits a two-state solution to become realilty, the Third Temple of God can be constructed alongside the Mosque and the two religions can then be able to share the Mount for their times of worship. Muslims worship on Fridays and (as you know) the Israelis would worship on their Sabbath Day (Saturday).

4.) Bible prophecy indicates that there will be a false peace in the region established by the system of antichrist which lasts for a period of 3 1/2 years. This is enough time for the Third Temple to be constructed - given the advanced methods in erecting buildings.

5.) It is therefore possible that the Third Temple and the Mosque of Omar (Dome of the Rock) can temporarily exist side-by-side as a show of "peace" for 3 1/2 years between Muslims and Jews until such time that the Temple is desecrated by the act of "abomination of desolation" when the antichrist steps into the Temple and proclaims that he is "god".

6.) At that point, the Great Tribulation begins that is prophesied to happen and lasts the remaining 3 1/2 years fulfilling the 7-year period of antichrist system on earth. The world will be forced to accept antichrist - or else!

7.) In the final throes of the Great Tribulation period, Christ returns to defeat antichrist and set things in order by establishing His Millennial Rule of God's Kingdom on earth, ruling from Jerusalem. Satan will be bound for that thousand year period and there will be True Peace on earth. That is the prophesied day that the Orthodox Jewish people await; when swords are turned into plowshares, the wolf and the lamb get along, and everyone no longer needs to ask each other if they know the Lord for they will all know who is Lord during that time. This is the appearance of their Moshiach ben David whom Christians know was/is Yeshua HaMashiach all along (Jesus Christ of Nazareth).

Presently: The prophetic turn of events to watch for would be a signing of a peace-pact in the Middle East that establishes a two-state solution. Many religions will be in support of this through the ecumenical council. This will be the beginning of the 7-year period of the antichrist which must first be introduced as "peaceful" and for the good of all.

[hotcoffee]

That Iron Dome in Israel is really something else to watch....