Is it possible for gays to go to heaven?

[rmorse]

Originally Posted by MDSupremacist

I guess that's one way of getting out of proving your statement- I'm above arguing with you lol

Think what you want.

[PsyOps (Premo)]

Originally Posted by rmorse

Lol.

If you're going to sit there and pretend that contradictions don't exist in the bible, I'm not going to sit here and talk to a brick wall.

So, in your mind these contradictions invalidate the bible, thus invalidate the existence of God? I’m routinely curious why this is typically brought in these discussions.

What contradictions are in the bible, in the context of the OP?

[rmorse]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

So, in your mind these contradictions invalidate the bible, thus invalidate the existence of God? I’m routinely curious why this is typically brought in these discussions.

What contradictions are in the bible, in the context of the OP?

Not at all! I'm not out to disprove the bible. In fact, I couldn't care less about it. What I dislike, however, is christians cherry-picking the bible to support their own biasedness and hatred for anyone who doesn't believe what they believe. (Note: I'm not trying to say anyone is doing that in this thread. I'm merely explaining why I took such an interest in where this was going).

I have already adressed some of the contradictions, both in the bible and in the rationale of some of the posters. Mainly, the argument that homosexuality is a worse sin than working on sunday, etc. Homoesexuality is *strictly* called out in the OT, yet not mentioned once in the NT. At best, it falls under "sexual morality" or w/e (drawing a blank on the exact term). That's the same as looking at porn, going to a strip club, hitting up a hooker, adultry, blah blah blah. But people make it seem like homosexuality is the biggest sin out of the bunch, and try and use the bible/church to back up their own hatred towards gays.

You, Psyops, actually GET IT, at least the part about a sin is a sin.



But what the hell do I know, I'm just an outside observer.


EDIT: I would just like to add, the bible is not what invalidates the existence of god, to me. It's part of it, but it's not the sole reason. I'd also like to point out that I'm not trying to prove god does or does not exist. I have my beliefs, you have yours. That's fine. If I'm displaying ridiculous logic in my beliefs, call me out on it! I'm not attacking your bible; that is something you (and others in this thread) believe with a passion. And that's fine! Who the hell am I to tell you you're wrong for believing in it, and who the hell are you to tell me I'm wrong for not believing in it! But when you (rhetorical you) use the bible to defend your views (that the bible does not support), that's when I comment on it.

[rmorse]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

What contradictions are in the bible, in the context of the OP?

That's not exactly a fair question, btw. When I brought up contradictions, it was a reply to MD stating that "I didn't state the Bible said that. That was a specific example I gave. What I said is, the Bible clearly states that some sin is worse than others and that sins against nature are some of the worst. The Bible also doesn't state that something must be in the Bible to be the Word of God. It is Sacred Tradition."

Essentially, I was calling him out on the "Bible clearly states" comment.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by rmorse

That's not exactly a fair question, btw. When I brought up contradictions, it was a reply to MD stating that "I didn't state the Bible said that. That was a specific example I gave. What I said is, the Bible clearly states that some sin is worse than others and that sins against nature are some of the worst. The Bible also doesn't state that something must be in the Bible to be the Word of God. It is Sacred Tradition."

Essentially, I was calling him out on the "Bible clearly states" comment.

The real TRUTH here is that it is possible for gays to go to Heaven (like any other sinner) by acknowledging the sin of sexual immorality that separates them from God (like any other sin), abhoring that condition, desiring and willing to turn away from that sin, repenting and asking Jesus Christ to forgive them and be their personal Lord and Saviour. This is where lives are changed and one can become a Born-Again Child of God - through faith in Christ.

Meantime, if an Atheist, adamantly refuses to accept the Free Gift of Salvation and rejects God's offer of forgiveness through the Atoning Blood of Christ, then this is called the sin of unbelief this relates to the act of blaspheme against the Holy Spirit; the One and Only Unforgiveable Sin.

The choice of whether to knowingly accept or knowingly reject, believe or not believe in God's Plan of Salvation through Christ is given to each individual.

The end result of whether a person receives eternal life or eternal death is a matter of his/her personal choice.

[MDSupremacist]

Originally Posted by rmorse

Think what you want.

Still can't offer prove and trying to pawn that shortcoming off on me?

[bcp (Premo)]

The problem here when people (non-believers) talk about the laws in the Bible that are punishable by death, is that these people always like to point out the Mosaic Laws found in Leviticus.
What they fail to realize, or hope others wont point out, is that when Jesus Christ took our sins, he also took over the punishment for sins.
So, as far as the Mosaic laws being reason to ask why Christians dont kill each other for various sins, the answer can only be that those punishments were taken from our hands, and left for final judgement, and we are not the ones to cast that final judgement.
That all being said, we are also obligated not to condone those sins, and we are obligated to tell people they are sinning, and how to find salvation in Jesus Christ by turning from their sins and accepting him as their saviour.

There is no hypocrisy in the Bible, only in the minds of those that wish to use the talking points without the benefit of actually finding out if they are true or not.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by bcp

The problem here when people (non-believers) talk about the laws in the Bible that are punishable by death, is that these people always like to point out the Mosaic Laws found in Leviticus.
What they fail to realize, or hope others wont point out, is that when Jesus Christ took our sins, he also took over the punishment for sins.
So, as far as the Mosaic laws being reason to ask why Christians dont kill each other for various sins, the answer can only be that those punishments were taken from our hands, and left for final judgement, and we are not the ones to cast that final judgement.
That all being said, we are also obligated not to condone those sins, and we are obligated to tell people they are sinning, and how to find salvation in Jesus Christ by turning from their sins and accepting him as their saviour.

There is no hypocrisy in the Bible, only in the minds of those that wish to use the talking points without the benefit of actually finding out if they are true or not.

Exactly Right!

[rmorse]

Originally Posted by bcp

The problem here when people (non-believers) talk about the laws in the Bible that are punishable by death, is that these people always like to point out the Mosaic Laws found in Leviticus.
What they fail to realize, or hope others wont point out, is that when Jesus Christ took our sins, he also took over the punishment for sins.
So, as far as the Mosaic laws being reason to ask why Christians dont kill each other for various sins, the answer can only be that those punishments were taken from our hands, and left for final judgement, and we are not the ones to cast that final judgement.
That all being said, we are also obligated not to condone those sins, and we are obligated to tell people they are sinning, and how to find salvation in Jesus Christ by turning from their sins and accepting him as their saviour.

There is no hypocrisy in the Bible, only in the minds of those that wish to use the talking points without the benefit of actually finding out if they are true or not.

Where in the nt does it say homosexuality is a sin? I can see sexual immorality being thrown in, but that also includes lust, adultery, prostitution, etc. Yet people aren't talking about how disgusting the victoria secret fashion show was last night. They sure as hell bring up every time states discuss gay marriage. Why aren't people talking about how wrong it is that stores are open on sunday? Blah blah blah.

Btw, how did judas die again?

[MDSupremacist]

Where in the nt does it say homosexuality is a sin? I can see sexual immorality being thrown in, but that also includes lust, adultery, prostitution, etc. Yet people aren't talking about how disgusting the victoria secret fashion show was last night. They sure as hell bring up every time states discuss gay marriage. Why aren't people talking about how wrong it is that stores are open on sunday? Blah blah blah.

Many people are complaining about those things. And as already stated, sodomy is a crime against nature. It is a disordered act. It is causing problems in every aspect of society.
Why does it have to be repeated in the NT(although it is). Saying it in the OT is enough. It is a natural law. Unlike disciplines, those laws don't change.

Btw, how did judas die again?

suicide.