Is it possible for gays to go to heaven?

[migtig]

Hell doesn't exist. The only place it does exist is in some mis-translations of the word "sheol".

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return."

So there is no hell in Genesis...that's when G-d created everything you know...

Ecclesiastes 9:5 "For the living know that they will die, but the dead don’t know anything, neither do they have any more a reward; for their memory is forgotten. 9:6 Also their love, their hatred, and their envy has perished long ago; neither have they any more a portion forever in anything that is done under the sun".

So this says when you die, well you are dead.

But then people turn to this (and a few other passages) and say there must be a hell:
(Ecclesiastes 9:7) "Go your way—eat your bread with joy, and drink your wine with a merry heart; for God has already accepted your works. 9:8 Let your garments be always white, and don’t let your head lack oil. 9:9 Live joyfully with the wife whom you love all the days of your life of vanity, which he has given you under the sun, all your days of vanity: for that is your portion in life, and in your labor in which you labor under the sun. 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Sheol, where you are going".

Sheol - your grave...the place where only G-d remembers you. Sheol is NOT Hell.

But hey, everytime it's pointed out that the folks who did the translations were only human and mistakes happen, somebody gets all pissy and says not to their bible it doesn't happen.

This is when I quote this
Good-Nature and Good-Sense must ever join; To Err is Humane; to Forgive, Divine.
[1711 Pope Essay on Criticism l. 525]

So Believe what you want. But it is kind of funny that the modern interpretation of Hell is based on Hel (look it up) and Hades.

[Misfit]

Originally Posted by stockgirl

I don't have it in me to always be nice to people so I'm sure that there's a place reserved in hell for me.

Are you sure you'd want to go to meamie hell?

[stockgirl]

Originally Posted by Misfit

Are you sure you'd want to go to meamie hell?

How dare you post a pic of Kris (not Kris10)!

[hotcoffee]

Originally Posted by hotcoffee

Now we're at the reason I brought this whole matter up and now I'm glad I couldn't delete the thread.

OK.... I know a man who lives on the Eastern Shore. He is bi-sexual. Actually he's bi-polar and when he's in a manic phase he tends to exhibit homosexual behavior. He's had a couple of long term homosexual relationships over the years. He's also been married twice and has three children by the first marriage. Within the last 10 years he was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder.

Anyway.... when he's taking his medication for the bi-polar disorder he's really a good hearted person who would do anything to be just, moral and honorable.

About 30-35 years ago this man followed his wife to a revival. He stood [didn't sit] at the back of the church and at the alter call, he ran [not walked but ran] to the alter yelling "I'm Saved".

His wife [the first one with whom he has three children] was mortified by this because she knows him. The church people didn't know him because he didn't attend church with her. They were thrilled because of this display. She remained quiet because the church was making such a big deal out of it.

Several weeks later the pastor of the church made his regular home visit. She confided in the pastor telling him about her husband's past. She told him that one of the reasons they had moved to the area was to get her husband away from the latest affair he had been in. They were trying to repair the marriage for the sake of their child.

The pastor pulled out his Bible. He went to the New Testament and went to the letters [I think it was in Jude]. He said he didn't want to tell her what to do but he did want to show her a verse. The verse told her that she didn't have to stay in the marriage if the marriage was going to cause her to loose her faith.

The pastor had no idea that this woman had already been put through some miserable trials due to this marriage and her faith had sustained her. He was only aware that this woman believed that marriage is a lifetime commitment according to the Bible.

This Bible verse allowed her to look at things in a different light and it allowed her to take a different path a few years later. Yes... she stayed to try to save the marriage and had two more children before things got much worse and she had to leave with the three children and the clothes on their backs.

I don't know if this man found salvation on that night or if he found salvation after that. I have heard that he attends a Methodist or Presbyterian church but I don't know if his attendance is regular or if he has responded to any other alter calls.

Salvation is a personal thing and I really hope that he did enter into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I know that Jesus is the only way to heaven. I do know that no matter how just, moral, and honorable any man is, you cannot earn your way to heaven. You must be born again.

I wonder though.... is it possible that this man did indeed find salvation that night at the revival.

I'm pulling this up again so that maybe someone will note that this particular person went to a revival and claims to have been saved.

Later he relapsed and turned violent too. His wife had to leave with the three children in the middle of the night with the clothes on their backs.

Is it possible that this man did indeed find salvation that night of the revival and then because of the bi-polar disorder relapse?

[stockgirl]

Originally Posted by hotcoffee

I'm pulling this up again so that maybe someone will note that this particular person went to a revival and claims to have been saved.

Later he relapsed and turned violent too. His wife had to leave with the three children in the middle of the night with the clothes on their backs.

Is it possible that this man did indeed find salvation that night of the revival and then because of the bi-polar disorder relapse?

Is it possible that the wife was a complete idiot for staying with the man for all of those years?

[MMM_donuts]

Originally Posted by Misfit

Worst case...there isn't and you decided there was so you weren’t a meamie to people, but what if it is true?

You think religious people are nice to others?! What if there isn't a heaven or hell and you (not you specifically) had oppressed homosexuals, convincing the that they were wrong, sinful, and made their only life a living hell? Or your own life a living hell, staying in bad relationships and exposing children to it, continuing the cycle.

If I'm wrong, I'm going to hell - just me. If you're wrong, nothing happens to you but you inflicted pain on the lives of other people. My personal opinion is that since no one actually knows for sure whether homosexuality is wrong, natural or unnatural, I'm not going to judge others for it and I'm surely not going to do anything to restrict their lifestyle.

[Bavarian]

A Homosexual person can get to Heaven if he/she lives a life of bstience from homosexual acts. Just like unmarried hetrosexuals do. If the slip, they can go to Confession and have their sins forgiven by Christ through a priest. But, they must make a firm promise not to commit that sin again. Same with women who have their unborn baby killed, they can be forgiven, but must change their ways.

Homosexuals can live a chaste life.

[stockgirl]

Originally Posted by Bavarian

A Homosexual person can get to Heaven if he/she lives a life of bstience from homosexual acts. Just like unmarried hetrosexuals do. If the slip, they can go to Confession and have their sins forgiven by Christ through a priest. But, they must make a firm promise not to commit that sin again. Same with women who have their unborn baby killed, they can be forgiven, but must change their ways.

Homosexuals can live a chaste life.

And this is exactly why I'm not Christian. Bunch O' Hypocritical #######s!

[Misfit]

Originally Posted by stockgirl

And this is exactly why I'm not Christian. Bunch O' Hypocritical #######s!

and Biblically incorrect.

[stockgirl]

Originally Posted by Misfit

and Biblically incorrect.

Bunch O' Incorrect Hypocritical #######s.


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