'Beat to death' for not reading his Bible

[cheezgrits]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

Would you really rather walk in hell?

Yes. Those parents that killed their kid were christians.

I rather walk in hell with folks that tried to live a good and honorable life than a bunch of hypocritical christians.

Remember, my "hell" isn't like yours, nor is my "heaven".

And continue, please to tell me how wrong I am.

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by MDSupremacist

You must be kidding about Ireland! The Catholic had their land stolen, were forced from their homes, families broken up, sold into slavery, and had their food confiscated. Oh and the Rosary and Mass were outlawed. Even Mark Twain commented on how poorly the Catholics were treated.

Honestly, I don't think she knows any better. Maybe she can enlighten herself now.

I'm not ragging on you hotcoffee. I think this is a case of innocent ignorance. Maybe you only know what you've been told, which is just one side of the story.

[MDSupremacist]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

Honestly, I don't think she knows any better. Maybe she can enlighten herself now.

I'm not ragging on you hotcoffee. I think this is a case of innocent ignorance. Maybe you only know what you've been told, which is just one side of the story.

I didn't mean to react so harshly but I was so shocked. I've never heard anyone claim the Irish Catholics were the abusers.

[hotcoffee]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

Honestly, I don't think she knows any better. Maybe she can enlighten herself now.

I'm not ragging on you hotcoffee. I think this is a case of innocent ignorance. Maybe you only know what you've been told, which is just one side of the story.

I know the Athey family were Protestants [my great great great great whatever grandfather was a primitive Baptist preacher when they settled in Southern Maryland in the 1600's after fleeing the persecution in our homeland in Ireland] I got the Athey family history from the libraries in St. Mary's and Charles Counties.

I know the Athey family were merchants. The church ransacked our business and took our home. I know Capt. George Athey came to America as an indentured servant of Sir Thomas Dent. I know the church ran us out of town.

That's what I know. That's what I read in the history searches of my family tree. That's what happened. I don't hold it against the catholic church. They were doing what they thought was right. I'm just saying.... it was a horrible time to be a Protestant Irish family.

[onel0126]

Late to this thread but Hotcoffee your Irish revisionist history rivals Starman's Catholic revisionist history.

For an interesting other point of view on another event in Irish history "like" the Facebook page called "Irish Holocaust, Not Famine.".

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by hotcoffee

I know the Athey family were Protestants [my great great great great whatever grandfather was a primitive Baptist preacher when they settled in Southern Maryland in the 1600's after fleeing the persecution in our homeland in Ireland] I got the Athey family history from the libraries in St. Mary's and Charles Counties.

I know the Athey family were merchants. The church ransacked our business and took our home. I know Capt. George Athey came to America as an indentured servant of Sir Thomas Dent. I know the church ran us out of town.

That's what I know. That's what I read in the history searches of my family tree. That's what happened. I don't hold it against the catholic church. They were doing what they thought was right. I'm just saying.... it was a horrible time to be a Protestant Irish family.

Do you know how your family came to be in Ireland? Were they indiginous or Scott/English? If it truly was Catholics who ran your family out of town it's quite possible the Catholics were just taking back what was theirs to begin with.

Since you have such a strong Irish family history maybe you'd be interested in reading more on the island's history. A quick cursory look at wiki reveals a great deal.

From around AD 800, more than a century of Viking invasions wrought havoc upon the monastic culture and on the island's various regional dynasties, yet both of these institutions proved strong enough to survive and assimilate the invaders. The coming of Cambro-Norman mercenaries under Richard de Clare, 2nd Earl of Pembroke, nicknamed Strongbow, in 1169 marked the beginning of more than 700 years of direct English, and, later, British involvement in Ireland. In 1177, Prince John Lackland was made Lord of Ireland by his father Henry II of England at the Council of Oxford.[3] The Crown did not attempt to assert full control of the island until after Henry VIII's repudiation of papal authority over the Church in England and subsequent English Reformation, which failed in Ireland. Questions over the loyalty of Irish vassals provided the initial impetus for a series of Irish military campaigns between 1534 and 1691. This period was marked by a Crown policy of plantation, involving the arrival of thousands of English and Scottish Protestant settlers, and the consequent displacement of the pre-plantation Catholic landholders. As the military and political defeat of Gaelic Ireland became more pronounced in the early seventeenth century, sectarian conflict became a recurrent theme in Irish history.

The 1613 overthrow of the Catholic majority in the Irish Parliament was realised principally through the creation of numerous new boroughs which were dominated by the new settlers. By the end of the seventeenth century, recusant Roman Catholics, as adherents to the old religion were now termed, representing some 85% of Ireland's population, were then banned from the Irish Parliament. Political power rested entirely in the hands of an Anglican minority, while Catholics and members of dissenting Protestant denominations suffered severe political and economic privations at the hands of the Penal Laws. The Irish Parliament was abolished in 1801 in the wake of the republican United Irishmen Rebellion and Ireland became an integral part of a new United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland under the Act of Union. Although promised a repeal of the Test Act, Catholics were not granted full rights until Catholic Emancipation was attained throughout the new UK in 1829. This was followed by the first Reform Bill in 1832, a principal condition of which was the removal of the poorer British and Irish freeholders from the franchise.

Somewhat of a side note...are you aware that until just very recently it was illegal for an English monarch to inherit the throne if married to a Catholic?

[MDSupremacist]

Originally Posted by onel0126

Late to this thread but Hotcoffee your Irish revisionist history rivals Starman's Catholic revisionist history.

For an interesting other point of view on another event in Irish history "like" the Facebook page called "Irish Holocaust, Not Famine.".

I'd like to also point out that under the Catholics in Maryland, there was the Tolerance Act. When the Protestants got powerful enough they violently overthrew the Catholics and outlawed the Faith. It wasn't fixed until after the War for Independence.

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by MDSupremacist

I'd like to also point out that under the Catholics in Maryland, there was the Tolerance Act. When the Protestants got powerful enough they violently overthrew the Catholics and outlawed the Faith. It wasn't fixed until after the War for Independence.

I used to live in a house that held Mass underground when it was outlawed in Maryland.

[MDSupremacist]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

I used to live in a house that held Mass underground when it was outlawed in Maryland.

Mass was forbidden, Catholics were not legal citizens though they were taxed double and not allowed to vote, they were not allowed to teach the Faith to their children and were fined if they sent them abroad to be instructed, the threat of land confiscation was always looming. It was illegal to be a priest in Maryland.

Early on, when Father White converted Indians, he was carted back to England and thrown in jail. It's a shame too, he converted a big chief but the protestants made sure to put an end to that. I suppose they prefer pagans. This would have been a different country if the Indians converted.

[UNA]

Wirelessly posted

Originally Posted by Radiant1

Honestly, I don't think she knows any better. Maybe she can enlighten herself now.

I'm not ragging on you hotcoffee. I think this is a case of innocent ignorance. Maybe you only know what you've been told, which is just one side of the story.

I was raised Protestant here in Maryland. I was taught quite a few things that I've come to know as false. That America has always embraced religious freedom, that the Catholics were the aggressors in Ireland, and that the IRA were the good guys. Kind mixed up all around (English bad, Carholics bad, Irish good, Protestants good...). This is the revisionist history that the Protestant Irish are taught here. Maybe I was unique, I know this is just anecdotal, but this is what I thought for a long time. Kind of tough to learn that much of what I thought I know was, at best, skewed.

None of this is to say that the opposite is the truth, the English weren't the good guys either and neither were the Carholics; everyone involved was wrong in many ways.