Who speaks for you?

[onel0126]

After seeing this article this morning and many others like it.....

Justice Sotomayor Rejects Hobby Lobby’s Request for Mandate Relief | Daily News | NCRegister.com

.....it leads me to ask those of you whom identify yourselves as Christians but for whatever reason intentionally are not part of a specific denomination with a heirarchy... who speaks for you on matters of politics and social issues? What are you doing about the HHS mandate if anything?

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by onel0126

After seeing this article this morning and many others like it.....

Justice Sotomayor Rejects Hobby Lobby’s Request for Mandate Relief | Daily News | NCRegister.com

.....it leads me to ask those of you whom identify yourselves as Christians but for whatever reason intentionally are not part of a specific denomination with a heirarchy... who speaks for you on matters of politics and social issues? What are you doing about the HHS mandate if anything?

When petitions (or show of support) are drawn up that respond to matters that affect my (our) religious beliefs, there is always a place to add my name. There are several organizations who initiate a petition of one sort or another and always welcome signatures of those who are in support. Or, in some cases, one can personally write a letter of support of an organization such as Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, etc.

[TNRabbit]

Religion is a wasted effort. It was designed by leaders in the middle ages to control the common people. I don't care if you're offended by this opinion; beleive what you want to, but don't try to control MY opinion.....

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by TNRabbit

Religion is a wasted effort. It was designed by leaders in the middle ages to control the common people. I don't care if you're offended by this opinion; beleive what you want to, but don't try to control MY opinion.....

No offense taken, TNRabbit, and, yes, you have the right to your opinion - as we have the right to our opinion.

Not upset with you for your thoughts so please don't be upset with our thoughts as presented here. We can agree to disagree. Fair?

[TNRabbit]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

No offense taken, TNRabbit, and, yes, you have the right to your opinion - as we have the right to our opinion.

Not upset with you for your thoughts so please don't be upset with our thoughts as presented here. We can agree to disagree. Fair?

Absolutely fair! I wish all shared your opinion....

[cheezgrits]

I speak for myself. My religion, as it is, has no place in politics. Personally, this has no place in the courts and it's a frivolous use of judicial resources. I respect the Green's religious beliefs, that is their well earned right. However, I'm sure at some point, Hobby Lobby has taken benefit from the government in the form of tax breaks for locating in an area, etc. As an employer that utilizes and provides health care, they are bound to follow government mandates. I have a personal belief that smoking is wrong, but as an employer, should I have the right to deny a cancer patient health care because of their decision to go against something I disapprove of?

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by cheezgrits

I speak for myself. My religion, as it is, has no place in politics. Personally, this has no place in the courts and it's a frivolous use of judicial resources. I respect the Green's religious beliefs, that is their well earned right. However, I'm sure at some point, Hobby Lobby has taken benefit from the government in the form of tax breaks for locating in an area, etc. As an employer that utilizes and provides health care, they are bound to follow government mandates. I have a personal belief that smoking is wrong, but as an employer, should I have the right to deny a cancer patient health care because of their decision to go against something I disapprove of?

It appears that Hobby Lobby has no problems with the contraceptive issue that prevents pregnancy; it's the issue of aiding and abetting the method to end the life of a child that has already been conceived. This constitutes an act of murder through abortion (infanticide) whether the government wants to view it that way or not.

Even if this was not based on religious grounds, why should Hobby Lobby be fined for not wanting to partake in the governments promotion of taking the life of an unborn child?

The Christian-owned business now faces fines of up to $1.3 million per day after Jan. 1 if it refuses to provide abortion-inducing drugs in its company health insurance plan.

Read more: Justice Sotomayor Rejects Hobby Lobby’s Request for Mandate Relief | Daily News | NCRegister.com

BTW: The title of this thread is "Who speaks for you?" The real question is Who speaks for the unborn child; one who will be denied the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

[cheezgrits]

No, I think the thread title is what onel meant it to be.

Hobby Lobby has to pay the fine because that is the penalty. To turn the question, why should they be above the rules? Because they feel a certain way and do not like the rules?

Pretty sure the whole supreme court/ constitutional thing cleared up the abortion being murder thing in the eyes of the law, but I understand the religious and morality view of it.

But hey, back to onel's question, I wonder why people let the church speak for them in matters of politics? Do you vote the way the church tells you? Surely one's conscience can speak for them?

[Railroad (Premo)]

Originally Posted by cheezgrits

No, I think the thread title is what onel meant it to be.

Hobby Lobby has to pay the fine because that is the penalty. To turn the question, why should they be above the rules? Because they feel a certain way and do not like the rules?

Pretty sure the whole supreme court/ constitutional thing cleared up the abortion being murder thing in the eyes of the law, but I understand the religious and morality view of it.

But hey, back to onel's question, I wonder why people let the church speak for them in matters of politics? Do you vote the way the church tells you? Surely one's conscience can speak for them?

Not true of all denominations, but for most of us, we elect or approve the ordaining of church leadership. Not to say that church politics are flawless, but overall you could say that church leadership does present the views of the congregations' majorities. Voting is a personal choice, always, and neither the church nor anyone else can tell any American how to vote.

That said, no individual Christian should sit idly by and let things be handled by others all the time, which is unfortunately a very bad trend in this country right now. Regardless, this is not a place for Federal Government to get involved, either in forcing the issue on abortions or forcing the issue on contraception. This is at worst something to be handled at the State level.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by cheezgrits

No, I think the thread title is what onel meant it to be.

Hobby Lobby has to pay the fine because that is the penalty. To turn the question, why should they be above the rules? Because they feel a certain way and do not like the rules?

Pretty sure the whole supreme court/ constitutional thing cleared up the abortion being murder thing in the eyes of the law, but I understand the religious and morality view of it.

But hey, back to onel's question, I wonder why people let the church speak for them in matters of politics? Do you vote the way the church tells you? Surely one's conscience can speak for them?

While I respect your thoughts on this, I really think the ones behind the government pressure against Hobby Lobby are the pharmaceutical companies providing the abortion pills. They are the ones that "lobby" the government to make decisions in their favor and if all employers are mandated to include the abortion pills as part of their insurance it means big bucks for them!

BTW: Since an abortion constitutes the death of an unborn child, is the mother required to file a death certificate with the state?