Sola Scriptura began in 70AD?

[Zguy28]

Originally Posted by onel0126

You are confusing what RC members believe with what the actual RCC teaches.

Bad Catholics give good Catholics a bad name.

oh, so when theres a difference in teaching, its "bad members" but when its us, its SOLA SCRPTURA DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!

When a priest is in the pulpit teaching, does he speak authoritatively or on behalf of the church?
Yes or no answer please.

And to your counter:

You are confusing what Protestant members believe with what the actual Protestant churches teach.

Bad Protestants give good Protestants a bad name.

See how easy that was?

[onel0126]

Originally Posted by Zguy28

oh, so when theres a difference in teaching, its "bad members" but when its us, its SOLA SCRPTURA DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!

When a priest is in the pulpit teaching, does he speak authoritatively or on behalf of the church?
Yes or no answer please.

And to your counter:

You are confusing what Protestant members believe with what the actual Protestant churches teach.

Bad Protestants give good Protestants a bad name.

See how easy that was?

Bad Catholics become Protestants. Bad Protestants start there own Church :-)

Priests obviously don't always speak for the Church.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

Nooooo, there's nothing wrong with that, as long as you remember there's always someone who has studied more than you that does not interpret like you and they know that SOLA SCRIPTURA DOES NOT WORK because they're smarter than you.
I happen to think it's correct, but you don't. Yeah, imagine that! This is just like SOLA SCRIPURA AND WHY IT DOES NOT WORK.
Of course the problem is with the people -- each person who adheres to Sola Scriptura and interprets differently than the other person who adheres to Sola Scriptura -- yes, the problem is with the people who believe in SOLA SCRIPTURA THAT DOES NOT WORK. I've been trying to tell you that all afternoon, IS!
And by your own standards I have every reason to believe that I am correct even though you, as scholarly as you think yourself, do not, which is why SOLA SCRIPTURA DOES NOT WORK.
Sola Scriptura means that the bible is the sole authority and therefore everyone may interpret for themselves. Point blank. That's it. You can't get around it. If you can find flaws in everyone else's teaching, then why in God's name can't you find the flaws in your own? I've done a lot of bible study as well as historical and theological study in my own right, so perhaps you will listen to me when I tell you that SOLA SCRIPTURA DOES NOT WORK.

So are you trying to tell me that "Sola Scriptura" doesn't work or am I mis-interpreting you? Thanks for the "go round"; It was fun!

Originally Posted by Bird Dog

I keep forgetting that you and Stoned Man are frigging religious geniuses.

That's why we post on here a lot, so you won't forget it.

Originally Posted by onel0126

Bad Catholics become Protestants. Bad Protestants start there own Church :-)
Priests obviously don't always speak for the Church.

Their...

[onel0126]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

So are you trying to tell me that "Sola Scriptura" doesn't work or am I mis-interpreting you? Thanks for the "go round"; It was fun!

That's why we post on here a lot, so you won't forget it.

Their...

Sorry, must be all of the Rx's!

[Zguy28]

Originally Posted by onel0126

Bad Catholics become Protestants. Bad Protestants start there own Church :-)

Priests obviously don't always speak for the Church.

is liberation theology compatible with official church teaching?

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by Zguy28

Radient1, how many differences are there among the Roman Catholic Church members on ALL matters of theology? Are there any? Do Latin American priests hold to differences in theology than Japanese nuns or Polish priests?

If so, explain how this is possible within the RCC as you describe it? Because if I were to take your posts at face value, there would never be any such thing. But I think you know there is and I suspect you will answer similarly to "we agree on essentials..."

You're thinking with your Protestant lense.

Since the magisterium is the only teaching authority then anyone who disagrees with what the Church teaches, i.e. DOCTRINE, then they cease to be Catholic. There are various ways in which that "ceasing" happens, but that's it in a nutshell.

On the other hand, the whole premise of Sola Scriptura, bible only, is that EVERYONE can interpret the bible and use that interpretation as their teaching authority; therefore, if there is disagreement there's a problem but yet they remain Protestant. As I said, the nature of Protesantism is to protest and as a result Protestantism is confused. This confusion is because SOLA SCRIPTURA DOES NOT WORK.

Originally Posted by Zguy28

And by the way, if I went down the road of believing erroneously that Holy Scripture was not sufficient, then I would most likely go toward Greece, not Rome.

If you chose to go Orthodox or any other Greek rite within the Catholic Church, that would be fine. At least then you'd be APOSTOLIC and on the right track instead of believing in the silliness of SOLA SCRIPTURA WHICH DOES NOT WORK.

Originally Posted by Zguy28

oh, so when theres a difference in teaching, its "bad members" but when its us, its SOLA SCRPTURA DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!

That's because of the nature of Sola Scriptura and what it means and entails. See above.

Originally Posted by Zguy28

When a priest is in the pulpit teaching, does he speak authoritatively or on behalf of the church?
Yes or no answer please.

That's not a yes or no question. It depends on if the priest is relaying (handing down) what the magisterium has taught. If a priest or nun for that matter goes off into a different direction, then they are corrected by the magisterium. If they continue, then they are reprimanded and de-frocked. In essense, they cease to be Catholic. You know, kind of like what happened to Luther.

Originally Posted by Zguy28

And to your counter:

You are confusing what Protestant members believe with what the actual Protestant churches teach.

Bad Protestants give good Protestants a bad name.

See how easy that was?

That doesn't work for you because Protestant churches teach different things. They have different doctrines, which is why there are over 20,000 sects of Protestantism and why SOLA SCRIPTURA DOES NOT WORK.

[StoneThrower]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

On the other hand, the whole premise of Sola Scriptura, bible only, is that EVERYONE can interpret the bible and use that interpretation as their teaching authority;

This isn’t a true statement those that do not have the Holy Spirit like JPC even though they can understand English words, can’t understand what the meaning is.

Also someone that does not have a correct hermeneutic would be plucking out their eye if it offends them and if it causes them to sin, because they can’t understand the text.

You need both to rightly divide the word of truth!

That’s why you have Mormons, JW's, seventh day advent, RC's, Oneness Pentecostals, Modalist like TD Jakes, Rotten so called evangelicals like Ed Young Jr., Brian Mclaren, Greg Boyd, Rob Bell, Donald Miller and all the TBN charlatans! No one ever said that we don’t have our share of false teachers and crooks!

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by StoneThrower

This isn’t a true statement those that do not have the Holy Spirit like JPC even though they can understand English words, can’t understand what the meaning is.

Also someone that does not have a correct hermeneutic would be plucking out their eye if it offends them and if it causes them to sin, because they can’t understand the text.

You need both to rightly divide the word of truth!

That’s why you have Mormons, JW's, seventh day advent, RC's, Oneness Pentecostals, Modalist like TD Jakes, Rotten so called evangelicals like Ed Young Jr., Brian Mclaren, Greg Boyd, Rob Bell, Donald Miller and all the TBN charlatans! No one ever said that we don’t have our share of false teachers and crooks!

Sure hun, but even those who say they have the Holy Spirit, and even ones whom the majority of Protesants would agree have the Holy Spirit still interpret differently. This is why SOLA SCRIPTURA DOES NOT WORK.

Deal with it appropriately, folks.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

Sure hun, but even those who say they have the Holy Spirit, and even ones whom the majority of Protesants would agree have the Holy Spirit still interpret differently. This is why SOLA SCRIPTURA DOES NOT WORK.

Which clearly proves the point that it's the people, not the Scriptures. SS does work all the time when it is used properly. Your argument against it doesn't work...

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Which clearly proves the point that it's the people, not the Scriptures. SS does work all the time when it is used properly. Your argument against it doesn't work...

As I said before, yes, of course it's the people! People interpreting differently which is acceptable according to the Sola Scriptura method. A book cannot interpret itself, people do, which is why the book cannot be the sole authority.

According to the Sola Scriptura method you can interpret one way and I can interpret another way, and we both can point a finger at each other saying the other is wrong. This is the basis of Protestantism. This is why Protestantism is in confusion. God is not the author of confusion. Ergo, Sola Scriptura is not of God and you can also therefore surmise that Protestantism isn't either.

Heck, we can reject Sola Scriptura on purely rational grounds, and we haven't yet got to the scripture itself that refutes it. The argument for Sola Scriptura is what fails and that's simply because SOLA SCRIPTURA DOES NOT WORK.

Now, if you want to say that Sola Scriptura only works when it's used properly by those who are smart and educated and know how to interpret correctly then I will draw several conclusions from that.

1) You're already admitting it's failure or the very least it's lack when you say "it only works when".

2) You're using circular logic because you are using your own interpretations to determine whose interpretation is correct. (And btw, someone more educated than you may think your interpretation is NOT correct.)

2) You set yourself up or any other person whom you deem educated enough to interpret correctly as a "pope". This is what Protestantism and the whole method of Sola Scriptura attempted to avoid.

3) You are keeping the scriptures from the uneducated masses, especially those who cannot read. This is what Protestantism and the whole method of Sola Scriptura attempted to avoid.

Are you sure you want to go there? Because I can take your logic further, but I'm not sure you're prepared for the conclusions. However, I'm certainly willing to do so if you are.