The Gospel of the Roman Catholic Church

[b23hqb]

Originally Posted by Bird Dog

So, you finally admit you harbor hatred for the Catholic Church, so nothing you say about it can be rational.

Your hatred binds you and blinds you.

You truly need redemption.

How convoluted your mind is to think that simple disagreement with your doctrine displays hatred. You are a perfect example of leftist PC, that when you cannot justify your stance, you simply try to shout down or insult others in attempts to end the debate.

That just shows your own insecurity in what you say you believe. Any vitriol or the spewing fourth of insults in this thread are originating from you and yours. ST, zguy, starman have said nothing disparaging or insulting against your rcc, just simple disagreement and why they and evangelicals and other denominations disagree theologically with your beliefs.

[Bird Dog (Premo)]

Originally Posted by b23hqb

How convoluted your mind is to think that simple disagreement with your doctrine displays hatred. You are a perfect example of leftist PC, that when you cannot justify your stance, you simply try to shout down or insult others in attempts to end the debate.

That just shows your own insecurity in what you say you believe. Any vitriol or the spewing fourth of insults in this thread are originating from you and yours. ST, zguy, starman have said nothing disparaging or insulting against your rcc, just simple disagreement and why they and evangelicals and other denominations disagree theologically with your beliefs.

He is the one that stated he hated the Roman Catholic Church, because it has not repented for the 1400's, etc.
Hate is hate. I don't hate the non-demons, I just get upset when on the first of the year their first posts are slams against Catholics and our Doctrines not
intended for debate but just bigotry and hate.

And yes you, Stoned/Star Man and IS are Saints.

ZGuy is the only non-Catholic who actually participates in intelligent debate.

[StoneThrower]

Originally Posted by Bird Dog

He is the one that stated he hated the Roman Catholic Church, because it has not repented for the 1400's, etc.
Hate is hate. I don't hate the non-demons, I just get upset when on the first of the year their first posts are slams against Catholics and our Doctrines not
intended for debate but just bigotry and hate.

And yes you, Stoned/Star Man and IS are Saints.

ZGuy is the only non-Catholic who actually participates in intelligent debate.

Your correct I said hate, you used it referring to individuals, and I intern repeated it referring to the organization. I'll also go as far, as for a human to hate is sin, because as a sinner we cant have hatred like God, because we are sinful.

I should have said I detest the teachings of Rome as that would have been more correct! Its a damnable doctrine of demons, propagated by power hungry pious, self righteous men that value religion, and power over being obedient to the word of God. They then in turn shill it, putting their people on a works righteousness treadmill.

Mother Theresa before her death realized she was going to hell and was not in a right relationship with God even after all her life long works trying to merit Gods favor. She had no assurance of salvation as there wasn't any never having been born again.

[StoneThrower]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

I didn't respond point for point to your first two posts because there was nothing to respond to aside from your lack of using scripture to state the Catholic position.

Why would I use scripture, that isn't used correctly in the first place to make your point for you?
If it doesn't say what you want it to, to quote it would just confuse people and I would be further propagating a lie!

I already said, I used your organizational documents as you hold them in higher regard than scripture.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Hermeneutics, Is this a binding document like the catechism and carries the same weight, that the entire organization would affirm or is this a generally accepted opinion?

From your document:
Law of the Church
The Council of Trent (Sess. IV, De edit. et usu ss. II.) forbids that, in "matters of faith and morals belonging to the building-up of Christian doctrine", the Bible be explained against the sense held by the Church, or against the unanimous consent of the Fathers.
So in other words if someone is convicted of the truth of Gods word they cant go against the party line, In affect the same Gag order since the beginning.

[Bird Dog (Premo)]

Originally Posted by StoneThrower

Your correct I said hate, you used it referring to individuals, and I intern repeated it referring to the organization. I'll also go as far, as for a human to hate is sin, because as a sinner we cant have hatred like God, because we are sinful.

I should have said I detest the teachings of Rome as that would have been more correct! Its a damnable doctrine of demons, propagated by power hungry pious, self righteous men that value religion, and power over being obedient to the word of God. They then in turn shill it, putting their people on a works righteousness treadmill.

Mother Theresa before her death realized she was going to hell and was not in a right relationship with God even after all her life long works trying to merit Gods favor. She had no assurance of salvation as there wasn't any never having been born again.

Your hate will consume you.
Your bigotry wil consume you.
My God doesn't hate.

You say you want to save souls, but your righteousness and hate turn people away from Christianity not towards it.
You were more a child of God before you climbed out of the gutter and became righteous than you are today.

[cheezgrits]

Did he just say that Mother Theresa knew she was going to hell when she died?

Wow. Just wow.

Not sure what religion ST is, but certainly wouldn't want to be associated with them...

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by cheezgrits

Did he just say that Mother Theresa knew she was going to hell when she died?

Wow. Just wow.

Not sure what religion ST is, but certainly wouldn't want to be associated with them...

Actually, Mother Teresa had self-doubts and struggles about her own relationship with God. For all the "good works" that she has been credited for doing in the name of God, it appears (by her own words) that she did not have a true spiritual relationship with God. By contrast, the Holy Bible states that God's Holy Spirit will witnesses to our spirit that we are Children of God and through His presence we know and have the assurance of our Salvation through faith in the New Testament Jesus Christ:

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
(Romans 8:15-17)

Article Excerpts Regarding Mother Teresa's Writings:

Mother Teresa, the late Roman Catholic nun whose aid for the poor put her on the path to sainthood, at times felt abandoned by God, according to her recently released letters.The letters, written by Mother Teresa in the 1950s and 1960s to her church spiritual guides, also reveal the troubling and, at times, painful connection she sometimes had with God.

"I am told God lives in me -- and yet the reality of darkness and coldness and emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul," she wrote in one of the letters.

The letters' release comes days after the Archbishop of Kolkata, formerly known as Calcutta, said church officials performed an exorcism on Mother Teresa at a hospital later in her life. This act and the letters showed Mother Teresa was "both holy and human," making her even more special, His Grace Henry D'Souza said.

The nun's letters were largely forgotten until two years ago, when the Vatican began gathering paperwork on Mother Teresa -- including all her confessional letters -- for sainthood proceedings. The correspondences were sent from India to Rome, with some being published in the "Journal of Theological Reflection."
Some of the letters depict a spiritually bereft Mother Teresa, struggling to maintain what she felt was a tenuous relationship to God.

"Where I try to raise my thoughts to heaven, there is such convicting emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives and hurt my very soul. Love -- the word -- it brings nothing," wrote the woman known the world over as the "Messiah of Love."

In another letter, Mother Teresa wrote, "In my soul, I can't tell you how dark it is, how painful, how terrible -- I feel like refusing God."
Letters: Mother Teresa doubted her faith, mission - CNN

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by StoneThrower

Why would I use scripture, that isn't used correctly in the first place to make your point for you?
If it doesn't say what you want it to, to quote it would just confuse people and I would be further propagating a lie!

I already said, I used your organizational documents as you hold them in higher regard than scripture.

What part of go hand in hand do you not understand? I think this is probably my last response to you because there's no sense attempting to educate someone who is obviously incapable of learning.

Originally Posted by StoneThrower

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Hermeneutics, Is this a binding document like the catechism and carries the same weight, that the entire organization would affirm or is this a generally accepted opinion?

If you prefer the catechetical quotes with scriptural references (Luke 24, Romans 12, 1 Cor 10, Hebrews 3, Revelations 21) then refer to Part 1, Section 2, Article 3, part III.

Originally Posted by StoneThrower

From your document:
Law of the Church
The Council of Trent (Sess. IV, De edit. et usu ss. II.) forbids that, in "matters of faith and morals belonging to the building-up of Christian doctrine", the Bible be explained against the sense held by the Church, or against the unanimous consent of the Fathers.
So in other words if someone is convicted of the truth of Gods word they cant go against the party line, In affect the same Gag order since the beginning.

That's right. Now go re-read post #28 for comprehension.

So, if a homosexual reads scripture and is convinced that he is ok, do you pat him on the head and tell him/her it's all good because they relied on the bible only and interpreted for themselves?

And your a paster, scary stuff! Btw, how did you become a pastor? Did you come out of your mother's womb with a bible thumping in your hand? Did you just wake up one morning and decide you wanted to preach at people? Do you have any formal education in theology? I'm curious.

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

Actually, Mother Teresa had self-doubts and struggles about her own relationship with God.

As do we all, that doesn't mean she had no as you put "true spiritual relationship with God". The simple Footprints in the Sand poem, which I'm sure you're familiar with, speaks to that.

Originally Posted by cheezgrits

Did he just say that Mother Theresa knew she was going to hell when she died?

Wow. Just wow.

Not sure what religion ST is, but certainly wouldn't want to be associated with them...

Cheezgrits, Mother Theresa did not say she was gong to hell, and The Thrower of Stones has absolutely no way of knowing. It's times like this that I'm rather glad we differentiate Christians between Catholic and Protestant because I don't want to be associated with someone like him either.

[StoneThrower]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

What part of go hand in hand do you not understand? I think this is probably my last response to you because there's no sense attempting to educate someone who is obviously incapable of learning.



If you prefer the catechetical quotes with scriptural references (Luke 24, Romans 12, 1 Cor 10, Hebrews 3, Revelations 21) then refer to Part 1, Section 2, Article 3, part III.



That's right. Now go re-read post #28 for comprehension.

So, if a homosexual reads scripture and is convinced that he is ok, do you pat him on the head and tell him/her it's all good because they relied on the bible only and interpreted for themselves?

And your a paster, scary stuff! Btw, how did you become a pastor? Did you come out of your mother's womb with a bible thumping in your hand? Did you just wake up one morning and decide you wanted to preach at people? Do you have any formal education in theology? I'm curious.

No, I would not! The Bible is clear on this and so have I in other threads. I would help them understand their need for a savior using the law and point out that if you continue in sin your of the devil, not a Christian, no matter how self deceived they may be.

An unrepentant sinner cannot understand Gods word, that’s why your organization doesn’t interpret scripture correctly, and teaches false hoods, that and Satan being behind it and its motives, to keep men trapped in religious duty focusing on externals and not on Christ.

As to my being a pastor I am not, I went to school for it, I serve in ministry and I am continuing my education. I graduated from Lancaster Bible College. I was raised in a Christian home but decided the gutter was more attractive and spent most of my adult life there dabbling in other world religions before dying to self, seeing my sin as God does, turning from it and then putting my faith and trust in Christ alone for my salvation. So yes I have a formal education and I am continuing my studies.