Matthew 6:5-15 Prayer

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by hotcoffee

IMHO I believe prayer is a way of talking with the Father. It should be a natural one on one prayer... not a quote, quip, poem, or verse.

We see in the gospel you quoted as the OP that Jesus gave us form prayer. He also practiced repetitive prayer. The Psalms are also prayers that Jesus quoted. So please don't discount them.

[Zguy28]

Originally Posted by hotcoffee

Please pray for me this afternoon... all of a sudden I don't feel like myself.... kind of down and just a hint angry.... and I don't know what is causing it... pray that whatever this is passes.... it's not a good feeling.... thanks....

Father, give our sister peace and calm this day that only your grace and mercy can provide. Amen.

[Zguy28]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

We see in the gospel you quoted as the OP that Jesus gave us form prayer. He also practiced repetitive prayer. The Psalms are also prayers that Jesus quoted. So please don't discount them.

I agree. Not all prayers of spontaneous. Some are given great care in preparing and there is nothing wrong with that.

One of my favorite pieces of devotional literature is the Valley of Vision. It is a collection of transcribed prayers of various Puritans.
Valley of Vision (Leather): A Collection of Puritan Prayers and Devotions: Arthur G. Bennett: 9780851518213: Amazon.com: Books

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

The rosary is a meditation on the mysteries of Christ so, yes, it has purpose, and it does not consist of reciting a long list of divine names as IS is claiming.

You said that, I didn't. And the mysteries of Christ? It consists of reciting Mary's name 50 times and you consider her divine...

Originally Posted by Radiant1

We see in the gospel you quoted as the OP that Jesus gave us form prayer. He also practiced repetitive prayer. The Psalms are also prayers that Jesus quoted. So please don't discount them.

Nothing wrong with repeated prayers................unless they're IDOLATROUS.

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

You said that, I didn't. And the mysteries of Christ? It consists of reciting Mary's name 50 times and you consider her divine...

Nothing wrong with repeated prayers................unless they're IDOLATROUS.

Yes, the mysteries of Christ. We do not think Mary divine. You're lying again. (I'll be generous and refrain from calling you a dog and swine.)

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

Yes, the mysteries of Christ. We do not think Mary divine. You're lying again. (I'll be generous and refrain from calling you a dog and swine.)

We ALL know better than that...

[hotcoffee]

Originally Posted by hotcoffee

Prayer

Matthew 6:5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

9 “This, then, is how you should pray:“‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, 10 your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation,[a]but deliver us from the evil one.[b]’

14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

a.Matthew 6:13 The Greek for temptation can also mean testing.
b.Matthew 6:13 Or from evil; some late manuscripts one, / for yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen


We could stay on this one for a while. I don't think we will, but we could if we broke it down into the verses.

Babbling on like Pagans

I've heard I don't know how many thousands of people who stood in front for a service, a prayer meeting, a Sunday School class, a Bible study, and a multitude of other meetings.... who used all kinds of flowery speech, droning on and on and on... I've even said "Amen" out loud.... but that just made them go on even longer....

So what should you do when you get tapped to lead the prayer? I've declined. The pastor was very good about it. He just went on to ask someone else.

Our Father

Have we seen Jesus tell the people that we are all His children yet? I don't think so.

He's saying to us.... talk to God like you are talking to your Father.... Naturally...

The parts of prayer

Every now and then it's good to go back to the basics. This link will take you to a children's study page that does a great job of putting the Lord's prayer in basic language. It's only one page and very easy to understand.

Forgive others

Back to character again. Be good to others so they will have a chance to be good to you.

I'm sure there is a lot more that can be said about these few verses. Like I've said, I've heard I don't know how many sermons and taken I don't know how many studies on the matter.

Pray to Him... talk to Him... it's part of the relationship...

Just think prayer is so important that I should post this again....

[libby]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

You said that, I didn't. And the mysteries of Christ? It consists of reciting Mary's name 50 times and you consider her divine...

Nothing wrong with repeated prayers................unless they're IDOLATROUS.

The Rosary quotes Scripture! "Hail, Mary, Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and Blessed is the Fruit of Thy Womb, Jesus"!

Holy mackerel! You just reject anything Catholics out of hand. From the man who quotes Scripture and says Scripture is the be all-end all source of Truth. As soon as a Catholic does it there must be some heretical reason behind it.

You were soooooo poorly catechized it is unbelieveable! You know nothing of the Fullness of Truth.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by libby

The Rosary quotes Scripture! "Hail, Mary, Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and Blessed is the Fruit of Thy Womb, Jesus"!

Holy mackerel! You just reject anything Catholics out of hand. From the man who quotes Scripture and says Scripture is the be all-end all source of Truth. As soon as a Catholic does it there must be some heretical reason behind it. You were soooooo poorly catechized it is unbelieveable! You know nothing of the Fullness of Truth.

"Fullness of truth"??? YOU (y'all) always leave out the rest of the story:

"...Holy Mary, MOTHER OF GOD", pray for us sinners..."

If that isn't idolatry, nothing is. Mary is dead, God has NO mother and we are commanded NOT to consult the dead.

[libby]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

"Fullness of truth"??? YOU (y'all) always leave out the rest of the story:

"...Holy Mary, MOTHER OF GOD", pray for us sinners..."

If that isn't idolatry, nothing is. Mary is dead, God has NO mother and we are commanded NOT to consult the dead.

Is Jesus God?? Is Mary the mother of Jesus?? Did Jesus obey all of the Commandments, including "Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother"??
Is He the God of the Living?? Can we pray for each other??

If you answer "No" to any of these questions, you are a heretic.