Jesus is either the biggest fraud in history or He is exactly who He claims to be.

[Marie]

Originally Posted by crabcake

It is not my job in life to tell anyone what they should/should not think, feel, believe, they're going to hell, etc. And I have not told 2A his beliefs are jacked up, nor anyone else. I've simply stated (as others have) that if he is sincere in his desire to "do God's work" and "spread the word", then he ought to reconsider his choice of words and tone in doing so -- period. And not to misrepresent his "beliefs" as "facts". There is a difference, and sadly enough, there are people out there who are stupid enough to not understand the difference.

Wow What A differnt philosphy, Mine is that was the very reason we were created was to tell others, thats the whole purpose of mans exsistence!

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by Marie

Wow What A differnt philosphy, Mine is that was the very reason we were created was to tell others, thats the whole purpose of mans exsistence!

WoW, your god must really have an inferiority complex.....

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by 2Amendment

Jesus is either the biggest fraud in history or He is exactly who He claims to be.

It is unfair to make that into an either-or question because there is a large amount of middle ground.

Who Jesus claimed to be is a separate question in itself.

Jesus called himself the "son of man" and others called Him the "son of God" link HERE.

Just because the Orthodox Christianity interpretation of Christ is wrong does not make Jesus into a fraud.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

It is unfair to make that into an either-or question because there is a large amount of middle ground.

Who Jesus claimed to be is a separate question in itself.

Jesus called himself the "son of man" and others called Him the "son of God" link HERE.

Just because the Orthodox Christianity interpretation of Christ is wrong does not make Jesus into a fraud.

I will admit if anyone knows fraud it would be you .You constant babble proves you to be an ignorant fruad and abuser.

[2ndAmendment]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

It is unfair to make that into an either-or question because there is a large amount of middle ground.

Who Jesus claimed to be is a separate question in itself.

Jesus called himself the "son of man" and others called Him the "son of God" link HERE.

Just because the Orthodox Christianity interpretation of Christ is wrong does not make Jesus into a fraud.

There is no middle ground when it comes to Jesus. He said so. He said if you are lukewarm He will spit you out of His mouth.

Revelation 3:14-24

14"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

15'I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot.

16'So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.

17'Because you say, "I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing," and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked,

18I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

19'Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

20'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

21'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

22'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'"

You are either for Him or against Him.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

There is no middle ground when it comes to Jesus. He said so. He said if you are lukewarm He will spit you out of His mouth.

You are either for Him or against Him.

That is mis-using the text.

Being "Laodicean lukewarm" link HERE does not mean that we must accept the Orthodox Christian interpretation of Jesus or else it is a fraud.

That was the point, and it still is the topic of this thread.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

That is mis-using the text.

Being "Laodicean lukewarm" link HERE does not mean that we must accept the Orthodox Christian interpretation of Jesus or else it is a fraud.

That was the point, and it still is the topic of this thread.

Since you act like you know all ,what do you think Jesus would think about how you treated your family,how you ran out on your son , or ran out when your ex dying of cancer asked for help with your own son and you refused to help,or how you promote child neglect and abuse by telling parents not to pay child support???

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

You are either for Him or against Him.

Amen!

[2ndAmendment]

Jesus is either the... 10-09-2007 07:23 PM if you knew anything, you would know that god does not need our praise or us forcing his word on others. God will help people, you will only disgrace his name with your hate. TJ

TJ (tommyjones),
I don't hate anyone. If you knew me, you would know that. But I will not assume a politically correct stance on the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God. It stands and I stand on it.

We are instructed to praise God in the Bible.

Psalm 100
All Men Exhorted to Praise God.
A Psalm for Thanksgiving.
1Shout joyfully to the LORD, all the earth.
2Serve the LORD with gladness;
Come before Him with joyful singing.
3Know that the LORD Himself is God;
It is He who has made us, and not we ourselves;
We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.
4Enter His gates with thanksgiving
And His courts with praise
Give thanks to Him, bless His name.
5For the LORD is good;
His lovingkindness is everlasting
And His faithfulness to all generations.

Psalm 150
A Psalm of Praise.
1Praise the LORD!
Praise God in His sanctuary;
Praise Him in His mighty expanse.
2Praise Him for His mighty deeds;
Praise Him according to His excellent greatness.
3Praise Him with trumpet sound;
Praise Him with harp and lyre.
4Praise Him with timbrel and dancing;
Praise Him with stringed instruments and pipe.
5Praise Him with loud cymbals;
Praise Him with resounding cymbals.
6Let everything that has breath praise the LORD.
Praise the LORD!

We are to proclaim the Gospel in season and out, in other words, all the time to everyone.

Matthew 28:18-20

18And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

19"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

2 Timothy 4:1-4
"Preach the Word"
1I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:

2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.

3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

4and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

The words "reprove, rebuke, exhort" are not exactly passive are they?

Main Entry: re·prove
Pronunciation: ri-'prüv
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): re·proved; re·prov·ing
Etymology: Middle English repreven, reproven, from Anglo-French reprover, from Late Latin reprobare to disapprove, condemn, from Latin re- + probare to test, approve -- more at PROVE
transitive verb
1 : to scold or correct usually gently or with kindly intent
2 : to express disapproval of : CENSURE <reprove popular taste -- D. W. Brogan>
3 obsolete : DISPROVE, REFUTE
4 obsolete : CONVINCE, CONVICT
intransitive verb : to express rebuke or reproof
- re·prov·er noun
- re·prov·ing·ly /-'prü-vi[ng]-lE/ adverb
synonyms REPROVE, REBUKE, REPRIMAND, ADMONISH, REPROACH, CHIDE mean to criticize adversely. REPROVE implies an often kindly intent to correct a fault <reproved my table manners>. REBUKE suggests a sharp or stern reproof dissenting clerics>. REPRIMAND implies a severe, formal, often public or official rebuke <reprimanded by the ethics committee>. ADMONISH suggests earnest or friendly warning and counsel <admonished by my parents to control expenses>. REPROACH and CHIDE suggest displeasure or disappointment expressed in mild reproof or scolding <reproached him for tardiness> <chided by their mother for untidiness>.

Main Entry: ¹re·buke
Pronunciation: ri-'byük
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): re·buked; re·buk·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French rebucher, rebouker to blunt, check, reprimand
1 a : to criticize sharply : REPRIMAND b : to serve as a rebuke to
2 : to turn back or keep down : CHECK
synonym see REPROVE
- re·buk·er noun

Main Entry: ex·hort
Pronunciation: ig-'zort
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French exorter, from Latin exhortari, from ex- + hortari to incite -- more at YEARN
transitive verb : to incite by argument or advice : urge strongly <exhorting voters to do the right thing>
intransitive verb : to give warnings or advice : make urgent appeals
- ex·hort·er noun

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

TJ (tommyjones),
I don't hate anyone. If you knew me, you would know that. But I will not assume a politically correct stance on the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God. It stands and I stand on it.

We are instructed to praise God in the Bible.We are to proclaim the Gospel in season and out, in other words, all the time to everyone.
The words "reprove, rebuke, exhort" are not exactly passive are they?

word of men about their feelings on god.

I could say that god directed me to write this, doesn't make it so.....

and i've read your posts, you hate plenty