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View Poll Results: What are you going to do Tuesday?
I'm going to DC to be a part of it all 4 3.96%
I'm not going but will be glued to the TV 12 11.88%
It's just another day for me. Nutin' special 57 56.44%
I think I will lock myself in the bedroom that day and mourn. It's a sad day for America! 28 27.72%
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:29 AM   #221
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Ok.....keep telling yourself that.....I know you are not stupid Vrai!!!
I am not stupid, but apparently you are. And you're also a racist because you see the n-word in connection with a black man, when no such thing was posted.
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:33 AM   #222
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I am not stupid, but apparently you are. And you're also a racist because you see the n-word in connection with a black man, when no such thing was posted.
Probably because I have witnessed racism "first hand"..... I grew up in a household with an african american, so therefore I am a little sensitive on the subject. I am far from being a racist and I resent that.....You can call me stupid all you want but don't call me a racist.
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:35 AM   #223
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Really? I remember that when I was in the 2nd grade schools were integrated. I remember the buses pulling up with all of those new black kids. I remember how afraid I was.

Opportunity most definitely changed in my lifetime and I am a good bit younger than you.
I think that was part of bussing, not exclusion.
There were blacks in my class in the first grade,, 1963, but they lived in the same school district as I did. other side of the tracks so to speak, but the same district.
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:36 AM   #224
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Probably because I have witnessed racism "first hand"..... I grew up in a household with an african american, so therefore I am a little sensitive on the subject. I am far from being a racist and I resent that.....You can call me stupid all you want but don't call me a racist.
if you witness it first hand is it ok to speak about it freely?

does this go for everything?
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:37 AM   #225
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I think that was part of bussing, not exclusion.
There were blacks in my class in the first grade,, 1963, but they lived in the same school district as I did. other side of the tracks so to speak, but the same district.
I lived in Waldorf so I'm not 100% sure that's true.
 
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if you witness it first hand is it ok to speak about it freely?
If it's my business and I want to speak about it.....then yes.
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:40 AM   #227
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You must be a good bit older than I am, because I do not remember a time when blacks did not have the same opportunities as whites. The black kids in my kindergarten class - yes, that would be when I was 5 years old - drank from the same water fountain as the white kids and used the same restroom, not to mention ate in the same cafeteria, and none of us thought a thing about it. And I find it hard to believe that Lincoln, NE was the *only* non-racial city in America.



If a white man had accomplished what Obama has accomplished, would it be noteworthy?

There's your answer.
I believe your statement is an argument of the specific vs. the general. My comment was based on a general observation of the relatively recent history of this country. To argue from your perspective, I offer the following specifics:

I am a bit older (54). I do remember being called a n****r on the first day of first grade in 1960 (at a Catholic School in DC) and being called the same on my first day of school at Bishop McNamara in 1968. I also remember not being able to shop in Garfinkel's in DC and my mother refusing to take me on the trolley cars in DC (yes they had them in the early 60s) because we had to sit in the back. I also remember packing food for our trips to my grandparents in Virginia and pulling to the side of the road to use the bathroom because we could not get service or use restrooms along the way. I could go on but you should get the picture. Things have changed Vrai, and your failure to acknowledge or admit that is sad.

As far as recognition of Mr. Obama's accomplishments, every 4 years prior to this, we have celebrated the accomplishments of a select few white men. They were elected President of the United States! I'd say that was a pretty large and impressive feat for which they have been duly recognized, and in the same manner as Mr. Obama. The only apparent difference at this point is the outpouring of people and emotions associated with this election. This is a celebration of hope for America and is the result of a fair election and peaceful transition of power. Why do you have a problem giving Mr. Obama his due?
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:41 AM   #228
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If it's my business and I want to speak about it.....then yes.
Then what makes it racist, or not ok to talk about how the blacks acted in school and come up with certain expectations based on ones personal experience?
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:42 AM   #229
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I lived in Waldorf so I'm not 100% sure that's true.
I can remember when Prince Georges was all white.
Im sure Waldorf took on change over the years too.
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:43 AM   #230
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Why do you have a problem giving Mr. Obama his due?
because he hasn't earned it yet?
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