Iraq War

[JPC sr]

4 YEARS

3,128 DEAD

24,042 WOUNDED

$409 BILLION

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I recorded the above from a personal sign (a big sign) that some one put in their yard of their house accross the street from the Annapolis library. I was there on April 10, 2007, to register as a candidate for D-5.

This day I checked the Internet and found that person and those numbers are very accurate, see link HERE.

 

[forestal]

Info is old. Body count is much higher...

Military Fatalities: By Time Period News
Current Time in Baghdad: 12:48:50 AM
<table id="Table2" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" height="199" width="326"> <tbody><tr><td style="height: 293px;" valign="top"><table id="dgSum" style="border: 1px none rgb(7, 55, 111); background-color: White; border-collapse: collapse;" border="1" bordercolor="#07376f" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" rules="all"> <tbody><tr class="GridHeader"> <td>

Period</td><td align="center" nowrap="nowrap">US</td><td align="center">UK</td><td>Other*</td><td align="center">Total</td><td>Avg</td><td>Days</td> </tr><tr class="GridItem" style="font-weight: bold; height: 20px;" align="center"> <td> 6 </td><td align="right">229</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">1</td><td style="background-color: WhiteSmoke; font-weight: bold;" align="right">244</td><td align="right">3.17</td><td align="right">77</td> </tr><tr class="GridItem" style="font-weight: bold; height: 20px;" align="center"> <td> 5 </td><td align="right">933</td><td align="right">32</td><td align="right">20</td><td style="background-color: WhiteSmoke; font-weight: bold;" align="right">985</td><td align="right">2.39</td><td align="right">412</td> </tr><tr class="GridItem" style="font-weight: bold; height: 20px;" align="center"> <td> 4 </td><td align="right">715</td><td align="right">13</td><td align="right">18</td><td style="background-color: WhiteSmoke; font-weight: bold;" align="right">746</td><td align="right">2.35</td><td align="right">318</td> </tr><tr class="GridItem" style="font-weight: bold; height: 20px;" align="center"> <td> 3 </td><td align="right">580</td><td align="right">25</td><td align="right">27</td><td style="background-color: WhiteSmoke; font-weight: bold;" align="right">632</td><td align="right">2.93</td><td align="right">216</td> </tr><tr class="GridItem" style="font-weight: bold; height: 20px;" align="center"> <td> 2 </td><td align="right">718</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right">58</td><td style="background-color: WhiteSmoke; font-weight: bold;" align="right">803</td><td align="right">1.89</td><td align="right">424</td> </tr><tr class="GridItem" style="font-weight: bold; height: 20px;" align="center"> <td> 1 </td><td align="right">140</td><td align="right">33</td><td align="right">0</td><td style="background-color: WhiteSmoke; font-weight: bold;" align="right">173</td><td align="right">4.02</td><td align="right">43</td> </tr><tr class="GridFooter"> <td>Total</td><td align="right">3315</td><td align="right">144</td><td align="right">124</td><td align="right">3583</td><td align="right">2.4</td><td align="right">1490</td> </tr> </tbody></table> To View Period Details Click The Period Number
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[Bruzilla]

Wow... soldiers and civilians die during wars... I had no idea. My hats off to Professor Obvious.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Info is old. Body count is much higher...

Military Fatalities: By Time Period News
Current Time in Baghdad: 12:48:50 AM
<table id="Table2" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" height="199" width="326"> <tbody><tr><td style="height: 293px;" valign="top"><table id="dgSum" style="border: 1px none rgb(7, 55, 111); background-color: White; border-collapse: collapse;" border="1" bordercolor="#07376f" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" rules="all"> <tbody><tr class="GridHeader"> <td>

Period</td><td align="center" nowrap="nowrap">US</td><td align="center">UK</td><td>Other*</td><td align="center">Total</td><td>Avg</td><td>Days</td> </tr><tr class="GridItem" style="font-weight: bold; height: 20px;" align="center"> <td> 6 </td><td align="right">229</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">1</td><td style="background-color: WhiteSmoke; font-weight: bold;" align="right">244</td><td align="right">3.17</td><td align="right">77</td> </tr><tr class="GridItem" style="font-weight: bold; height: 20px;" align="center"> <td> 5 </td><td align="right">933</td><td align="right">32</td><td align="right">20</td><td style="background-color: WhiteSmoke; font-weight: bold;" align="right">985</td><td align="right">2.39</td><td align="right">412</td> </tr><tr class="GridItem" style="font-weight: bold; height: 20px;" align="center"> <td> 4 </td><td align="right">715</td><td align="right">13</td><td align="right">18</td><td style="background-color: WhiteSmoke; font-weight: bold;" align="right">746</td><td align="right">2.35</td><td align="right">318</td> </tr><tr class="GridItem" style="font-weight: bold; height: 20px;" align="center"> <td> 3 </td><td align="right">580</td><td align="right">25</td><td align="right">27</td><td style="background-color: WhiteSmoke; font-weight: bold;" align="right">632</td><td align="right">2.93</td><td align="right">216</td> </tr><tr class="GridItem" style="font-weight: bold; height: 20px;" align="center"> <td> 2 </td><td align="right">718</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right">58</td><td style="background-color: WhiteSmoke; font-weight: bold;" align="right">803</td><td align="right">1.89</td><td align="right">424</td> </tr><tr class="GridItem" style="font-weight: bold; height: 20px;" align="center"> <td> 1 </td><td align="right">140</td><td align="right">33</td><td align="right">0</td><td style="background-color: WhiteSmoke; font-weight: bold;" align="right">173</td><td align="right">4.02</td><td align="right">43</td> </tr><tr class="GridFooter"> <td>Total</td><td align="right">3315</td><td align="right">144</td><td align="right">124</td><td align="right">3583</td><td align="right">2.4</td><td align="right">1490</td> </tr> </tbody></table> To View Period Details Click The Period Number
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The numbers were close, so the people there might have it dated at April 10th when I saw the sign. But no one can get the number exactly because the numbers just keep going up and up ......

P.S. I am impressed at all that red Karma you have. Well done.

 

[bcp]

With all the concern for the deaths IN A WAR ZONE, you must really be torn up by the number of murders in this country every year by second offenders that were put back on the streets by democrat judges.


wake up and look around. given the numbers do you realize that you have a greater chance of being shot in baltimore than in Iraq?

 

[PsyOps]

4 YEARS

3,128 DEAD

24,042 WOUNDED

$409 BILLION

============================

I recorded the above from a personal sign (a big sign) that some one put in their yard of their house accross the street from the Annapolis library. I was there on April 10, 2007, to register as a candidate for D-5.

This day I checked the Internet and found that person and those numbers are very accurate, see link HERE.

Okay, you made the point about deaths and cost. Of course you conveniently left out the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions; we'll never know) that were butchered under Saddam and the potential lives we may be saving by removing him from power. And you conveniently left out the billions the US spent "containing" that nice old man Saddam. But we don't really want to talk about the good side of things do we? And we really have no ability to see the future in a positive way do we? We are just the evil imperialists doing all the killing.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Okay, you made the point about deaths and cost. Of course you conveniently left out the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions; we'll never know) that were butchered under Saddam and the potential lives we may be saving by removing him from power. And you conveniently left out the billions the US spent "containing" that nice old man Saddam. But we don't really want to talk about the good side of things do we? And we really have no ability to see the future do we in a positive way do we? We are just the evil imperialists doing the killing.

Well, from my understanding, the reason we attacked Saddam Husain was because he had weapons of mass destruction. So in real law then since Saddam did not have the weapons then that makes him not guilty of the crime. We executed a not guilty President of another Country.

Yes, I saw the mock trial that claimed he signed the death warrents of many Iragis, but he was the President of Iraq, that was his job.

Truly, I think we blew it big time.

Like Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) has said, the US has already lost the war.

It is sad but it is time to face reality.

 

[PsyOps]

Well, from my understanding, the reason we attacked Saddam Husain was because he had weapons of mass destruction. So in real law then since Saddam did not have the weapons then that makes him not guilty of the crime. We executed a not guilty President of another Country.

Yes, I saw the mock trial that claimed he signed the death warrents of many Iragis, but he was the President of Iraq, that was his job.

Truly, I think we blew it big time.

Like Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) has said, the US has already lost the war.

It is sad but it is time to face reality.

You being a politician and potential seat in Congress should already be abreast of the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq , where CONGRESS stated the following justifications for war:

Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998

AND

Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population

AND

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people

AND

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council

AND

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq

AND

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens

AND

Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001 underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations

AND

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security...

Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it "supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1)," that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and "constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region," and that Congress, "supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688"

AND

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and

Whereas it is in the national security of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region

Bi-partisan signatories

These issues on their own, devoid of the WMD issue (which is a lie propagaed by the left), justify war on its own merits. We didn't go in with just WMD on the plate.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

You being a politician and potential seat in Congress should already be abreast of the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq , where CONGRESS stated the following justifications for war:

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq


Bi-partisan signatories

These issues on their own, devoid of the WMD issue (which is a lie propagaed by the left), justify war on its own merits. We didn't go in with just WMD on the plate.

In the beginning I agreed to the attack on Iraq too, but that does not negate the fact that we blew the war now.

When we agreed to the Iraq war it was not known that the Bush administration would trash the Geneva convention, torture prisoners, give mock trials, destroy the Iraqi infrastructure, and mismanage the war so horribly. We did not agree to that.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

With all the concern for the deaths IN A WAR ZONE, you must really be torn up by the number of murders in this country every year by second offenders that were put back on the streets by democrat judges.


wake up and look around. given the numbers do you realize that you have a greater chance of being shot in baltimore than in Iraq?

I might have a better chance of being killed in B-more than in Iraq, but our American soldiers have it the opposite.

Plus, I stayed in Baltimore several times and its reputation is much exagrerated. B-more is a cool town.

..................................

So did you see the link here: Cusick battles status quo.

Rock and Roll.

 

[forestal]

Hell, if I ever get to the green zone I'm doing something wrong.

<img src="http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20070419/i/r3686720287.jpg"/>

The numbers were close, so the people there might have it dated at April 10th when I saw the sign. But no one can get the number exactly because the numbers just keep going up and up ......

P.S. I am impressed at all that red Karma you have. Well done.

 

[This_person]

In the beginning I agreed to the attack on Iraq too, but that does not negate the fact that we blew the war now.

When we agreed to the Iraq war it was not known that the Bush administration would trash the Geneva convention, torture prisoners, give mock trials, destroy the Iraqi infrastructure, and mismanage the war so horribly. We did not agree to that.

Wow! As a candidate, you may want to rethink posting on a site like this. People will know what you're actually thinking! "Trash the Geneva convention"? Can you provide proof of such a claim? Can you back up such an inflamatory statement? For example, to whom does the Geneva convention apply? What, specifically, was done to "trash" the Geneva Convention agreements that was sponsored by the Bush administration?

"Destroy the Iraqi infrasturcture"? If I'm not mistaken (and, I'm not a candidate for anything, so I may be misinformed), we're rebuilding the infrastructure destroyed by a military action that was initiated by over a decade of UN violations and repeated calls by the world (via the UN) to stop acting outside of the cease fire agreement.

"Mock trials"? Whose? Where? When?

If there were no WMD's, why did Saddam think he had them? Why did he allow his country to be fired upon instead of just letting over a decade of attempts by inspectors be fullfilled? What were all the trains taking to Syria within days of our entering the country in force?

When millions of people have the ability to determine their fate now, have the ability to fight with each other like little children (like we do), and to be involved in their own country, how is it that we "blew" the war? Granted, specific things here and there could have gone better, but are you really so tainted against Bush and/or his ideology that you think we didn't do something well within the law (see UN resolutions and Congressional Acts) and that made most Iraqi lives better by far (in the long run)?

Please help me understand your rhetoric here.

 

[forestal]

This isn't a war. It's a meat grinder.

Don't fight battles you can't win, and your soldiers won't die needless deaths.

Wow... soldiers and civilians die during wars... I had no idea. My hats off to Professor Obvious.

 

[Lenny]

In the beginning I agreed to the attack on Iraq too, but that does not negate the fact that we blew the war now.

When we agreed to the Iraq war it was not known that the Bush administration would trash the Geneva convention, torture prisoners, give mock trials, destroy the Iraqi infrastructure, and mismanage the war so horribly. We did not agree to that.

Ahem. You, being the well-grounded lawyerly educated politician you are, have leveled some pretty troubling allegations. I hope to hell you can back these up, because they have not been proven yet.

Or does this mean that now you have your own computer, you'll use this medium instead of spray paint on public buildings to spread your ####?

Schmuck!

 

[Lenny]

<img src="http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20070419/i/r3686720287.jpg"/>

Caption this: Forestal sniffs Bush's ass. Finds it reminds him of home.

 

[This_person]

This isn't a war. It's a meat grinder.

Don't fight battles you can't win, and your soldiers won't die needless deaths.

Relevance?

 

[PsyOps]

This isn't a war. It's a meat grinder.

Don't fight battles you can't win, and your soldiers won't die needless deaths.

WWII was a meat grinder too, only on a scale massively worse. Should we have quit there?

We all are in here daily arguing our points. You are quite in the minority and heavily criticized... AKA "a battle you can't win". Yet you keep coming back. Why is that?

 

[Hessian]

I want to see Terrorist body counts.

The war costs too much:
I once read that it cost the US $30,000+ for every dead enemy soldier in WWII (Building ships, training, equipment, medical, salaries...)
I can't imagine what that cost is today.

It is tremendously cost efficient to simply nuke mass areas and let them clean it up.
We build thousands of nukes, try dozens of delivery systems...and never have the guts to use them.

1) Pull troops from around Fallujah.
2) Warn the Islamic trash to come out and lay down their weapons.
3) Nuke them and declare the hot zone off limits until the year 3500.

Next?
That is cost efficient.

 

[forestal]

Oh, that's so simple! I wonder why the top Generals never thought of it.

I'm promoting you to the War Czar position!!

The war costs too much:
I once read that it cost the US $30,000+ for every dead enemy soldier in WWII (Building ships, training, equipment, medical, salaries...)
I can't imagine what that cost is today.

It is tremendously cost efficient to simply nuke mass areas and let them clean it up.
We build thousands of nukes, try dozens of delivery systems...and never have the guts to use them.

1) Pull troops from around Fallujah.
2) Warn the Islamic trash to come out and lay down their weapons.
3) Nuke them and declare the hot zone off limits until the year 3500.

Next?
That is cost efficient.

 

[This_person]

Iraq War 04-20-2007 10:38 AM Do you pat yourself on the back after you post?

Nope, I raise questions in the hopes people will answer them like adults, maybe even in a discussion type forum. I know fools out there will blindside hiding as much as they can in karma, but not all people make themselves worthy of being in a discussion.